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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>In the Step 2 model for the baseline, you DON’T
use the same district energy system used in the proposed. Instead, you
use on-site boilers of the type specified in ASHRAE 90.1 Tables G3.1.1A and
Tables G3.1.1B.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Interestingly enough, this is a
contradiction from what is stated in paragraph G3.1.1.1 of 90.1, but USGBC has
clarified their intention in soon to be released updates of the DES
Guide. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Paul Riemer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:12
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org; bldg-rate@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bldg-sim] District Thermal
Energy in LEED</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Fellow Modelers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I would greatly
appreciate any answers and comments on formulating a submission and/or CIR.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>I am working on a
LEED project which is heated by steam from a coal fired plant and is subject to
the USGBC's District Thermal Energy document </span></font><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href="https://www.usgbc.org/ShowFile.aspx?DocumentID=4176"
title="blocked::http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?5BOXzdXICQTTTHLfe6OsVHkiP2DdQ8Abs01Mo9Rc2Yz_U7xV8eHpJnUj3gUVx4sUrLRQm7bTpKCMrKr87E4iZ9aBO5mUm-wafBiteH3O3szQ9g8Y01dI9EI6QkQkTbIIIL6NNEVdCBIpfg8BWildbFEw1vyPsE-wq80j7ZCHY9Cy2HFEw3FkD6lFCy04A_yHFVEw6Ev4ymd44E6y0azg">https://www.usgbc.org/ShowFile.aspx?DocumentID=4176</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#1F497D'>Should the baseline
hot water boiler plant in the Step 2 analysis be:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#1F497D'>A) a coal fired
boiler with the proposed boiler efficiency since 90.1 does not address coal
fired boilers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#1F497D'>B) a natural draft
coal fired hot water boiler with an assumed code efficiency since 90.1 does not
address coal fired boilers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#1F497D'>C) a natural draft
gas fired hot water boiler with the code efficiency referenced in 90.1, or<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#1F497D'>D) something else?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#1F497D'>Remember the metric
is energy cost savings.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#1F497D'>If you reread it,
replacing the word 'coal' with 'trash', does your answer change?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#1F497D'>Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#1F497D'>Paul Riemer<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#1F497D'>Dunham<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Verdana><span
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