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<DIV><SPAN class=131210913-01052009><FONT face=Univers color=#0000ff
size=2>Appendix G is pretty clear that self-shading in the baseline case is
not permitted. For whatever reason I seem to remember seeing something
similar about shading from adjacent buildings. I have heard from
mechanical consultants that they never factor in adjacent building when sizing
equipment since they can't foresee what will happen to them in the future.
But for a campus setting, where the owner has a commitment not to tear the
buildings down, maybe you can argue otherwise.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=131210913-01052009><FONT face=Univers color=#0000ff size=2>I'd
love to hear some thoughts from the veterans here. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=131210913-01052009><FONT face=Univers color=#0000ff
size=2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=131210913-01052009><FONT face=Univers color=#0000ff
size=2>Luka</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Eric Studer [mailto:estuder@dmiinc.com]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 01, 2009 7:00 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Matutinovic, Luka;
bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Bldg-sim] Shading from
adjacent buildings for LEED<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It seems to me that
credit should be taken for shading from adjacent buildings. The base case
procedure takes pains to normalize the baseline analysis to a building that is
neutral to solar gain and there have been requirements in the past (and still
are?) that the building cannot self-shade itself. Other Bldg-sim readers
probably can provide a more of official reading of the actual rules and I am
interested in hearing their rationales.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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12<BR>Fax: (781) 431-1109</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN
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bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Matutinovic, Luka<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:24
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Bldg-sim] Shading from adjacent
buildings for LEED</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Univers">Hi
All,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Univers size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Univers">I assume that neither ASHRAE 90.1
ECB or Appendix G allow you to take credit for shading due to surrounding
buildings. Can anyone provide a specific reference to the code or LEED
Reference Guide where that is stated? I understand the rationale for a
single building, but if I'm working on a campus with single ownership and the
buildings have a 30 year contract to be owned and operated, I feel like I should
be allowed to take a credit for reducing the solar heat gains due to adjacent
buildings. Any thoughts?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Univers">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Luka Matutinovic,
</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">B.A.Sc., LEED<SUP>®</SUP>
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