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color:#1F497D'>Regarding <b>asymmetrical thermal comfort and that involving transmitted
short-wave radiation</b>, the following link will get you an excellent (lengthy,
detailed, and very helpful) paper on thermal comfort in proximity to windows.
It discusses the effects of glass surface temperatures and transmission properties,
along with possible options for including a rating of thermal comfort
performance on NFRC window labeling.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Huizenga, C., H. Zhang, P.
Mattelaer, T. Yu, E. Arens, and P. Lyons, 2006. <a
href="http://www.cbe.berkeley.edu/research/pdf_files/SR_NFRC2006_FinalReport.pdf">Window
Performance for Human Thermal Comfort</a>. Final Report to the National
Fenestration Rating Council, Center for the Built Environment, University of
California, Berkeley, February.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You do not need an open window to have comfort issues associated
with transmitted short-wave radiation, nor does it have to be direct-beam
radiation—any window permitting occupants to receive a good dose of transmitted
diffuse and/or direct solar radiation is reason enough to care about this
effect. The paper at the CBE link above provides a very useful means of
estimating the contribution of both direct-beam and diffuse solar radiation.
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discussion of direct radiation starts on page 49.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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href="http://www.cbe.berkeley.edu/research/briefs-thermmodel.htm"><span
style='font-weight:normal'>CBE’s Advanced Thermal Comfort Model </span></a></span></b><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This tool can used to study
the effectiveness of energy saving design strategies, such as facade designs
and advanced HVAC systems, in terms of occupant comfort. <br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In addition, the CBE has an Advanced Thermal Comfort model that
they will be happy to run for you as consultants to your project (and which
their industry partners also have direct access to) which takes into account
short-wave radiation striking a human subject, along with numerous very detailed
thermal comfort parameters. This tool was used for several key sections of the
paper linked above, so you can see examples of the model and results there. Not
only does this model account for occupant attributes like body mass (along with
the usual comfort parameters), it actually models 16 different human body parts
and the constriction and dilation of blood vessels that accompanies different
thermo-physiological states. This model, which is not really all that difficult
to work with, has been used for CBE consulting to the automotive industry and a
in-house by handful of large A&E firms. If you want to learn more, the
following link takes you to the section of the CBE web site describing this
tool:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> JRR [mailto:energy.wwind@cox.net] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Simmonds<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Vikram Sami; Timothy Moore; Karen Walkerman;
bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] MRT Tool<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>JRR wrote;<br>
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Good Point !! Do you take the radiation temperature at the virtual
surface of the open window ??<br>
NO. It is the wrong answer, but now you need to know things like the RT
of an adjacent building,<br>
background sky RT, luminosity...<br>
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Peter Simmonds wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Ah, another can of worms. MRT is probably the least understood and
certainly the least calculated of space thermodynamics. ASHRAE RP 1383 was
specifically set up to calculate MRT for spaces, even having unusual configurations.
It should be ready in about 18 months or so? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>So Vikram, with reference to your analogy, how about this one?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:navy'>Imagine a space that is naturally ventilated through an open
window, at this certain time of the day the occupant is in such a position that
the suns rays reach the occupant through the open window. What would the MRT be
in the space and how would this affect the occupants comfort.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Vikram Sami [<a
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Simmonds; Timothy Moore; Karen Walkerman; <a
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Bldg-sim] MRT Tool</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#0025C4'>It’s an interesting conundrum that the times that MRT
becomes a significant player in the comfort calculation is when there is an
uneven radiant field (hot or cold window; fireplace; thermal mass wall). In
such a situation, is it fair to average out the MRT for an entire room?
Don’t your view factors change drastically depending on your position in
the room? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D'>The ASHRAE-55 Thermal Comfort Tool created by the UC Berkeley
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recall correctly) includes a very easy-to-use MRT calculator for rectangular
rooms. It allows for MRT at a particular position in that room, separate
surface temperatures and dimensions for surfaces, and also the inclusion of a
“panel” or other area within one of the walls (such as a cold/hot
window, heating panel, etc.) that has a distinct temperature. This is part of a
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:50 AM<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hello,<br>
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Is anyone aware of a simple Mean Radiant Temperature calculation tool?
I'm looking for something that will calculate MRT for a basic rectangular room.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
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--<br>
Karen<o:p></o:p></p>
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