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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ah, another can of worms. MRT is probably the
least understood and certainly the least calculated of space thermodynamics.
ASHRAE RP 1383 was specifically set up to calculate MRT for spaces, even having
unusual configurations. It should be ready in about 18 months or so? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>So Vikram, with reference to your analogy,
how about this one?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Imagine a space that is naturally
ventilated through an open window, at this certain time of the day the occupant
is in such a position that the suns rays reach the occupant through the open
window. What would the MRT be in the space and how would this affect the
occupants comfort.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Vikram Sami
[mailto:VSami@lasarchitect.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 21, 2009
12:02 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Peter Simmonds; Timothy Moore;
Karen Walkerman; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Bldg-sim] MRT Tool</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#0025c4" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#0025C4'>It’s an
interesting conundrum that the times that MRT becomes a significant player in
the comfort calculation is when there is an uneven radiant field (hot or cold
window; fireplace; thermal mass wall). In such a situation, is it fair to
average out the MRT for an entire room? Don’t your view factors change
drastically depending on your position in the room? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#0025C4'>Does one person too
hot near the window and another person too cold on the inside equal thermal comfort?
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Peter Simmonds<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 21, 2009 1:36
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Timothy Moore; Karen
Walkerman; bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] MRT Tool<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I do not think the thermal comfort tool
calculates the MRT it is a user input.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Timothy Moore
[mailto:timothy.moore@iesve.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 21, 2009
10:00 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Karen Walkerman;
bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] MRT Tool</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>Karen,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>The ASHRAE-55
Thermal Comfort Tool created by the UC Berkeley Center for the Built
Environment and available from ASHRAE publications (if I recall correctly)
includes a very easy-to-use MRT calculator for rectangular rooms. It allows for
MRT at a particular position in that room, separate surface temperatures and
dimensions for surfaces, and also the inclusion of a “panel” or
other area within one of the walls (such as a cold/hot window, heating panel,
etc.) that has a distinct temperature. This is part of a very handy tool for
determining PPD, etc. based upon the typical range of human thermal comfort
variables (clo value, activity level, air temp, MRT, humidity, air movement).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Karen Walkerman<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 21, 2009 9:50
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bldg-sim] MRT Tool<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hello,<br>
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Is anyone aware of a simple Mean Radiant Temperature calculation tool?
I'm looking for something that will calculate MRT for a basic rectangular room.<br>
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Thanks!<br>
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--<br>
Karen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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