<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Actually Mark, I think the tool shows quite a bit of promise. The readme clearly states that several features are works in progress or yet to be implemented, but some of the stuff in there is already useful, and definitely not part of the "internal SketchUp tools". The sun path visualizations are nice, and the views from the sun perspective are also useful. From a shading study perspective, these tools are useful right now. I guess it all depends on what you call "analysis". No, the tools do not calculate energy savings from shading devices, but they do illustrate very well the issues around a particular fenestration. You can clearly see the range of time where direct sun is a problem, and the best part is, with this presentation a client can see the issues too. Our internal tools where I work are faster to use, but aren't all that great at illustrating the issues to the client. I think this presentation is very clear (and is also the way Ecotect presents this info). </div><div><br></div><div>Guedi, a couple of comments: can you provide the plugin as a set of files instead of a windows installer, so I can install the plugin on a Mac too? Also, it'd be nice if the sun objects are placed on a separate pre-defined layer instead of the current layer, just for organizational purposes. </div><div><br></div><div>- Rob Guglielmetti</div><br><div><div>On Mar 26, 2009, at 12:24 PM, Zoeteman, Mark R. wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="Section1" dir="RTL"><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Guedi:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">This does not seem ready for real use. We tried it and is very simplistic and does not seem to give functionality. It seems to do little more than plot points in model, but not analyze model. The internal SketchUp tools will do more than SunTools.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Mark Zoeteman, FTC&H<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-right-style: none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: 0in; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Guedi Capeluto<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:17 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Bldg-sim] SunTools Plugin for SketchUp available<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">SunTools a new Plugin for SketchUp is available now.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Plug-in Features</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">- SunPATH: visualization (month and year)</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">- SunPOS: Sun Position for a date and time</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span dir="LTR"></span>- SunVIEW: Axonometric views from the Sun</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span dir="LTR"></span>- SunPENETRATION: Analyze Sun Penetration/Access in any specific analysis point.</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="AR-SA" dir="RTL"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">The plug-in can be downloaded after registration from:<a href="http://tx.technion.ac.il/~arrguedi/SunTools/download.html" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://tx.technion.ac.il/~arrguedi/SunTools/download.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Enjoy SunTools.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Guedi Capeluto<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><a href="mailto:arrguedi@technion.ac.il" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">arrguedi@technion.ac.il</a><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><strong><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: navy; ">Arch. Guedi Capeluto, D.Sc.</span></strong><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Univers, serif; color: navy; "><br></span></b><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: maroon; ">Faculty of Architecture and Town Planning<br>Technion - Israel Institute of Technology<br></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><ns0:placename><ns0:placename><ns0:placename><ns0:placename><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: gray; ">Technion</span></ns0:placename></ns0:placename></ns0:placename></ns0:placename></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: gray; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><ns0:placetype><ns0:placetype><ns0:placetype><ns0:placetype><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: gray; ">City</span></ns0:placetype></ns0:placetype></ns0:placetype></ns0:placetype></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: gray; ">, </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; "><ns0:city><ns0:city><ns0:place><ns0:city><ns0:place><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: gray; ">Haifa</span></ns0:place></ns0:city></ns0:place></ns0:city></ns0:city></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: gray; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>32000.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: gray; ">Israel<br>Tel:+972.4.8294012 Fax:+972.4.8294617<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: blue; ">email: <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: gray; "><a href="mailto:arrguedi@tx.technion.ac.il" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">arrguedi@tx.technion.ac.il</a></span><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: blue; "><br>web : </span><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: gray; "><a href="http://www.technion.ac.il/~arrguedi/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.technion.ac.il/~arrguedi/</a></span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; text-align: right; direction: rtl; unicode-bidi: embed; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span dir="LTR"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Bldg-sim mailing list<br><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org</a><br>To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:BLDG-SIM-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">BLDG-SIM-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></body></html>