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cases, energy comparisons to ASHRAE 90.1 should also be looked at
closely. In particular, for a ground source heat pump, or any heat pump
with electricity as its heating source, the ASHRAE baseline system calls for
electric resistance heat. This automatically makes the heat pump more
attractive than it would, say, against a VAV system with hydronic heat and a
high efficiency boiler, at least in terms of ASHRAE 90.1. The heat pump
will get you more LEED points, but will not necessarily be the most energy
efficient system for your customer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andy hoover<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Varkie C Thomas'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Percent Energy Savings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>The highlighted yellow and that entire paragraph nail it for
me. It results in showing/taking the most effective steps to decrease
energy usage which should be the objective, regardless of percentage.
Percent savings is always very very subject to manipulation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Varkie C Thomas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Varkie C Thomas<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Percent Energy Savings</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I received a few responses to
this message from outside the USA sent directly to me. Below is the
message again with some additional points in red. The sections
highlighted in yellow is from one of the responses<o:p></o:p></p>
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[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Varkie C
Thomas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 2009-03-03 18:26<br>
<b>To:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] Percent Energy Savings</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>ASHRAE Std90 for the baseline is
already stringent and specifies the commonly used systems & plants based
on building type and size. Based on the CCGT building, high percentage
energy savings for LEED certification can be achieved with low-rise buildings
with a high exposure to floor surface areas to locate PV panels, high but
efficient glass to wall area for day-lighting, the use of GSHP (which
requires a large site area which may not be available in city blocks), and
low common energy consuming systems in baseline and proposed which increases
“percentage” energy savings. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>A school building is low-rise, is
low in process loads (increases % savings) and is high in occupancy ventilation
which allows for air-to-air heat recovery. It operates only during the day
increasing the impact of day-lighting. It is closed in summer, reducing the
annual cooling load and increases the impact of solar heating during the rest
of the year in cold climates. So it is possible to achieve zero energy
usage. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The choices are limited in the
case of inner city high-rise buildings. Today’s high-rise office
building design tries to maximize the glass percentage which increases the
impact of day-lighting. The glass could have PV properties with a very
small overall efficiency of converting light to 110V electricity. The
ASHRAE Std90 baseline for Systems and Plants for such a building is
considered normal design. UFAD and other options are not typical.
The proposed envelope has to offset the 40% Window-Wall-Ratio specified by
ASHRAE. <span style='color:#C00000'>If the office building envelope is
used for a hospital or hotel, which operate 8760 hours/year, then the percent
energy savings will go down.</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";background:yellow'>High percent
energy savings does not therefore necessarily mean a better or optimized
designed building</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> in
terms of the client’s interests. <span style='background:yellow'>Percent
energy savings should therefore not be the criteria for energy efficient
building design. It should be based on Energy Conservation Measures
(ECM) used for the given building that are more energy efficient compared to
ASHRAE Std90 for the given building type and size which usually results in
increased first costs.</span> The ECMs are going to be different for different
types of buildings in different locations. If the ECM used is
inappropriate, then the client pays a price for the high percent energy
savings.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#C00000'>In my opinion the way to express
energy efficiency would be energy per unit area. Occupancy per unit area
has to be defined for different types of buildings (office, hotel, retail,
hospital, etc.) and energy efficiency should also take into account location
based on HDD & CDD. Energy per Person will account for overall energy
efficiency of buildings & transportation when designing sustainable
townships.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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