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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I am probably going to switch simulation tools just because of eQuest’s
unapproved status.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ellen
Franconi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 25, 2009 4:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Xiaobing Liu; Joe Huang<br>
<b>Cc:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org; David Goldstein<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] EPact 2005 tax savings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Joe, thanks for
shedding some light on the acceptance criteria and how it compares to other
approaches.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>It is truly a shame
that eQUEST has not been approved yet. I do not know what the hold up is
but I believe the program was submitted years ago to DOE for acceptance.
VisualDOE was accepted a couple of months after its application was submitted.
It makes you wonder what DOE 2.2 is missing that DOE 2.1E has. Better submittal
documentation?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>eQUEST is
probably the most widely used program for performing simulation analysis
in the U.S. With our current administration's initiative to promote an
energy-efficient economy and have Federal Buildings achieve 30% better
performance than 90.1-2004, it is inconsistent that this program is
not fast-tracked for acceptance. With construction costs climbing
dramatically, these tax incentives could go a long way to help achieve what
they were designed for - promoting energy efficient buildings in the U.S. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>If anyone on
BLDG-SIM can provide insights into why eQUEST has not been accepted, please
share this with the rest of us. And if no explanation can be provided, perhaps
we can use our BLDG-SIM critical mass to encourage DOE and/or the software
developers to push this through the acceptance process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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>>> Joe Huang <joe@drawbdl.com> 02/25/09 2:17 PM >>><br>
I frankly don't understand the criteria of acceptance for software <br>
approval. It seems to accept any program that's self-described as <br>
capable of dynamic simulations with time-varying inputs and outputs, and <br>
has gone through the ASHRAE/ANSI Standard 140 comparisons. But Standard <br>
140 is just a cross-program comparison for very simplified cases, sort <br>
of digital hot-box experiments, if you will. Does this mean that all <br>
simulations done with these programs are valid and credible ? Any DOE-2 <br>
simulation ? Any EnergyPlus simulation ? Of course not. It's all in the <br>
inputs, and if the inputs or modeling are faulty, the results could be <br>
all over the map. If we compare this criteria of acceptance to <br>
California's Title-24 Certification of compliance programs, the <br>
approaches are almost completely opposite. Here, the criteria are <br>
whether the programs have the right fundamentals or "intentions" ; <br>
there, the criteria are whether the programs give the right results. <br>
I'm afraid we're leaving the barn door open for a lot of questionable <br>
claims backed up by the use (or abuse) of supposedly approved software.<br>
<br>
Joe Huang<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Xiaobing Liu wrote:<br>
> As I remember, Green Building Studio (GBS) is on the list. Since GBS <br>
> runs eQUEST (and other software?) behind the screen, can the tax <br>
> credits be granted if the building performance simulation is conducted <br>
> by eQUEST through GBS. I'm a bit confused here. Can anyone shed light <br>
> on this issue?<br>
> <br>
> Xiaobing<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> *From:* bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
> [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]*On
Behalf Of<br>
> *David S Eldridge<br>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:22 PM<br>
> *To:* bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
> *Subject:* Re: [Bldg-sim] EPact 2005 tax savings<br>
><br>
> It is currently not submitted for approval.<br>
><br>
>
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> <br>
><br>
> David Eldridge, PE<br>
><br>
> LEED® AP<br>
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> <br>
><br>
> *From:* bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
> [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
*On Behalf Of<br>
> *Chris Mullinax<br>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:26 PM<br>
> *To:* bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
> *Subject:* [Bldg-sim] EPact 2005 tax savings<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> <a
href="http://www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/qualified_software.html">http://www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/qualified_software.html</a><br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> Epact 2005 tax credits were extended to 2013 in
the recent<br>
> “Stimulus Package.”<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> I’m looking at a page on the DOE web site that
lists approved<br>
> software used obtain Epact 2005 tax credits, and I
notice eQuest<br>
> is not specifically listed. DOE-2.1 is listed
however. Does anyone<br>
> know if eQuest will be acceptable for EPact 2005
simulations?<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> The link to the list is given above.<br>
><br>
> Any help is appreciated.<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> Chris Mullinax, P.E. LEED AP<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> pn: 770-387-1334<br>
><br>
> fx: 770-387-1383<br>
><br>
> chris@mullinaxsolutions.com
<mailto:chris@mullinaxsolutions.com><br>
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