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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>My understanding is option 1.
The fan energy in that formula is the sum of all the fan horse power. Search
the board, I think there is a previous email from Michael Rosenberg talking
about the fan energy. Hope this helps. <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike
Kaufman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Bldg-sim] System Fan Power in Appendix G<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi All,<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>I have a specific question about using Appendix G3.1.2.9 to calculate
baseline system fan power (I have already searched previous posts and could not
find the answer I&#8217;m looking for).&nbsp; So, the Appendix G section reads
as follows: <u>System</u> fan electrical power for supply, return, exhaust, and
relief (excluding power to fan powered VAV boxes) shall be calculated using the
following formulas.&nbsp; I understand the formulas, which essentially use a
fan CFM to determine a brake horsepower BHP, which is then used to calculate
the fan power (Watts), but my question is this:&nbsp; Supposing you have an
HVAC system with supply, return, and small exhaust fans (in restrooms, for
example) &#8211; how do you calculate the power to each fan?<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>Option 1:&nbsp; Use your <u>supply</u> fan cfm to calculate
a power, say it comes to 10 kW, and use this as your total &#8220;system&#8221;
fan power.&nbsp; This 10 kW, being your whole system power, is then distributed
among all of your system fans however you desire (For example, supply fan power
= 5 kW, return fan power = 4 kW, exhaust fan power = 1 kW, for a total of 10 kW
for the fan system)<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal>OR<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal>Option 2:&nbsp; Use each supply, return, and exhaust fan cfm
to separately calculate an individual kW for each fan (For example, supply fan
power = 10 kW using the supply cfm, return fan power = 9 kW using the return
cfm, exhaust fan power = 1 kW using the exhaust cfm, for a total of 20 kW for
the whole fan system)<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal>Obviously, you will have much more fan energy in a baseline
system calculating fan power with Option 2.&nbsp; Does anyone have a specific
example they can share of a fan system calculation that was accepted by USGBC
for an EAc1 energy model?<o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for your help!<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal>Mike<o:p></o:p></p>

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