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<DIV>Make sure you look at Addendum AC if you are using A90.1-2004. The calculation and pressure credits have changed, but it is still consistent with your Option 1 description.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Technic>Bill Talbert, PE, <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: line; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LAYOUT-GRID-MODE: line; FONT-FAMILY: Technic; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=2>LEED® AP</FONT></SPAN></SPAN><BR>Mechanical Systems</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Technic>Phone: (608) 441-6677<BR>E-mail: btalbert@aeieng.com<BR><BR>Affiliated Engineers Inc.<BR>5802 Research Park Blvd.<BR>Madison, WI. 53719<BR>Tel. (608) 238-2616<BR>Fax. (608) 238-2614</FONT></DIV><BR><BR>>>> Kendra Tupper <ktupper@rmi.org> 1/20/2009 12:42 PM >>><BR><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Option 1 – the user’s manuals are a bit more clear, and specify that the its is the supply cfm that should be used to calculate the fan power. This fan power includes supply, return and exhaust.<BR><BR><BR>On 1/20/09 11:29 AM, "Zeng, Ming" <<A href="about:mzeng@leoadaly.com">mzeng@leoadaly.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV></SPAN></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><FONT color=#1f497d>My understanding is option 1. The fan energy in that formula is the sum of all the fan horse power. Search the board, I think there is a previous email from Michael Rosenberg talking about the fan energy. Hope this helps. <BR> <BR></FONT><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#888888><FONT size=2><FONT face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><B>Ming Zeng</B></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><FONT size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt">, PE, LEED® Accredited Professional<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#888888><FONT size=1><FONT face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt">Mechanical Engineer<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><BR><BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#888888><FONT size=1><FONT face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt">730 Second Avenue South, Suite 1100, Minneapolis, MN 55402-2455<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#888888><FONT size=1><FONT face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8pt"><B>T</B> 612.338.8741 <B>F</B> 612.338.4840 <B>D</B> 612.341.9539 <BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d><FONT size=1><FONT face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt">www.leoadaly.com <<A href="http://www.leoadaly.com/">http://www.leoadaly.com</A>> <A href="about:MZeng@leoadaly.com">MZeng@leoadaly.com</A><BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT color=#00b050><FONT size=1><FONT face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7pt">Please consider the environment before printing.<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT face="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><B>From:</B> <A href="about:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</A> [<A href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Mike Kaufman<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:16 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="about:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [Bldg-sim] System Fan Power in Appendix G<BR></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><BR>Hi All,<BR> <BR>I have a specific question about using Appendix G3.1.2.9 to calculate baseline system fan power (I have already searched previous posts and could not find the answer I’m looking for). So, the Appendix G section reads as follows: <U>System</U> fan electrical power for supply, return, exhaust, and relief (excluding power to fan powered VAV boxes) shall be calculated using the following formulas. I understand the formulas, which essentially use a fan CFM to determine a brake horsepower BHP, which is then used to calculate the fan power (Watts), but my question is this: Supposing you have an HVAC system with supply, return, and small exhaust fans (in restrooms, for example) – how do you calculate the power to each fan?<BR> <BR>Option 1: Use your <U>supply</U> fan cfm to calculate a power, say it comes to 10 kW, and use this as your total “system” fan power. This 10 kW, being your whole system power, is then distributed among all of your system fans however you desire (For example, supply fan power = 5 kW, return fan power = 4 kW, exhaust fan power = 1 kW, for a total of 10 kW for the fan system)<BR> <BR>OR<BR> <BR>Option 2: Use each supply, return, and exhaust fan cfm to separately calculate an individual kW for each fan (For example, supply fan power = 10 kW using the supply cfm, return fan power = 9 kW using the return cfm, exhaust fan power = 1 kW using the exhaust cfm, for a total of 20 kW for the whole fan system)<BR> <BR>Obviously, you will have much more fan energy in a baseline system calculating fan power with Option 2. Does anyone have a specific example they can share of a fan system calculation that was accepted by USGBC for an EAc1 energy model?<BR> <BR>Thanks for your help!<BR>Mike<BR><FONT color=#1f497d><BR></FONT><BR> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><IMG src="cid:HNBPAQUVCYZB.IMAGE.jpeg"></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d><FONT face="Arial Narrow"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><B>Mike Kaufman, Building Performance Engineer</B></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#eeb500><FONT face="Arial Narrow"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><B>130 W. 5th Avenue, Denver, CO 80204 </B></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#eeb500><FONT face="Arial Narrow"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><B>(NOTE NEW ADDRESS)</B></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d><FONT face="Arial Narrow"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><B>t 303.278.1532x206 | f 303.278.8533 | ambient-e.com</B></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> <<A href="http://www.ambient-e.com/">http://www.ambient-e.com/</A>> </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><B> </B></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><B></B></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><B></B></SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#1f497d><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> <BR> <BR> <BR><BR>
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