<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">How about using name such as "Visual Environment Energy Modellin" or "Visual Env" so now name is different than the real one.<br><div> </div><div id="RTEContent"><font color="#0000ff"><em><span style="font-size: 16pt; color: blue; font-family: Vivaldi;" lang="EN-CA"><font size="3"><span style="font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif;">Best Regards;</span></font><br><font size="4">Nouman Khan</font></span></em></font></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "bldg-sim-request@lists.onebuilding.org" <bldg-sim-request@lists.onebuilding.org><br><b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">To:</span></b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, December 1, 2008 3:01:02 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Bldg-sim Digest, Vol 13, Issue 1<br></font><br>Send Bldg-sim mailing list submissions to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-request@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-request@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-request@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><br>You can reach the
person managing the list at<br> <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-owner@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-owner@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-owner@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Bldg-sim digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. EP-Quick 1.5 Now Available (Jason Glazer)<br> 2. Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br> (Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn)<br> 3. Performance Rating Method of of Ashrae 90.1 (2004) Baseline<br> Chiller COP (Ho Tinkit)<br> 4. Re: IES-VE (Jason Glazer)<br> 5. Re: Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br> (James V. Dirkes II P.E.)<br> 6. Re: Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing (Paul Riemer)<br> 7. Re: Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and
Glazing<br> (Brenda V. Morawa)<br> 8. Re: Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br> (Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn)<br> 9. Re: Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing (Bill Talbert)<br> 10. Re: Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing (James Hansen)<br> 11. Re: Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing (James Hansen)<br> 12. Re: calculating the mean monthly outdoor temp (Nathan Miller)<br> 13. Re: Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing (Fred Porter)<br> 14. Re: calculating the mean monthly outdoor temp (JRR)<br> 15. Re: DOE-2.2 geometry import troubles (Josh K)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:53:17 -0600<br>From: Jason Glazer <<a ymailto="mailto:jglazer@gard.com" href="mailto:jglazer@gard.com">jglazer@gard.com</a>><br>Subject:
[Bldg-sim] EP-Quick 1.5 Now Available<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@onebuilding.org</a><br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:4933357D.60303@gard.com" href="mailto:4933357D.60303@gard.com">4933357D.60303@gard.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>EP-Quick is now compatible with the revised input language <br>of EnergyPlus 3.0. The object names and keywords in the <br>latest version of EnergyPlus that changed are now supported. <br>You can still use EP-Quick on all of the releases of <br>EnergyPlus since version 1.2.1.<br><br>EP-Quick is free and available for download from:<br><br><a href="http://glazersoftware.com/" target="_blank">http://glazersoftware.com/</a><br><br>Thanks<br><br>Jason<br><br>-- <br>Jason Glazer, P.E., GARD Analytics, 90.1 ECB chair<br>Admin for onebuilding.org building performance mailing
lists<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:59:39 +0530<br>From: "Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn" <<a ymailto="mailto:ulrik.horn@silpainc.com" href="mailto:ulrik.horn@silpainc.com">ulrik.horn@silpainc.com</a>><br>Subject: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br>To: "<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:343a1a270812010429h497b119cp9578726e07bc10be@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:343a1a270812010429h497b119cp9578726e07bc10be@mail.gmail.com">343a1a270812010429h497b119cp9578726e07bc10be@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Dear all,<br><br>When you are rotating
the building through 4 different orientations, do you<br>change the glazing so that the glazing with the highest SHGC is always faces<br>north, or do you put the glazing with high SHGC on the original north<br>facade, and then rotate the building so that the high SHGC glazing faces the<br>east, south and west orientations in subsequent simulations?<br><br>Yours faithfully,<br><br><br>*Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn *<br>Sustainability Engineer<br><br>*Silpa Inc.*<br>*s* i m p l e . *s* c i e n t i f i c . *s* u s t a i n a b l e<br>AMERICAS | MIDDLE EAST | ASIA<br>www.silpainc.com<br><br>India: +91.90080.96083<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/attachments/20081201/adefe962/attachment.html"
target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/attachments/20081201/adefe962/attachment.html</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:43:37 +0800<br>From: "Ho Tinkit" <<a ymailto="mailto:ho.tinkit@scottwilson.com.hk" href="mailto:ho.tinkit@scottwilson.com.hk">ho.tinkit@scottwilson.com.hk</a>><br>Subject: [Bldg-sim] Performance Rating Method of of Ashrae 90.1 (2004)<br> Baseline Chiller COP<br>To: <<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>Message-ID: <D83FD813F91349C98DF04F42F88467FF@hotinkit><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Regarding to the Performance Rating Method of of Ashrae 90.1 (2004), there<br>is an issue of determining baseline Chiller COP need to be clarified.<br><br>Regarding to the
baseline HVAC system, the parameters need to be set<br>according to Appendix G of Ashrae 90.1 Standard.<br>According to table G3.1.1A and table G3.1.1B of App. G3.1.1, the baseline<br>HVAC system for a building with area larger than 150,000 sqft is specified<br>as variable air volume with reheat with centrifugal chiller >300tons,<br>whereas the equipment efficiencies should be modeled at the minimum<br>efficiency levels in accordance with section 6.4 of Ashrae 90.1 Standard.<br>Then referring to table 6.8.1 J of section 6.4 of Ashrae 90.1 Standard,<br>minimum efficiencies for centrifugal chiller COP(standard) should be 6.1.<br><br>However, What is the minimum efficiencies for the baseline design COP under<br>the following condition,<br>1) If the proposed HVAC design is design to work with leaving chilled water<br>at 42.8F and entering condenser water temperature of 85F,<br>2) If the proposed HVAC design is design to work with leaving chilled
water<br>at 42.8F and entering condenser water temperature of 89.6F, and this chiller<br>is designed to be a ice storage system.<br><br>Should the baseline design be modeled at COP 6.1 or should the baseline COP<br>be estimated by the equations listed below the table 6.8.1 J?<br><br>Please advise.<br><br>Thanks you for any kindly helps.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>TK HO<br>Senior Assistant Engineer<br>Scott Wilson Ltd<br>Tel. no. (852) 2410 3847<br><br><br><br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>Scott Wilson supports the UN Global Compact and Caring for the Climate initiatives.<br>Please consider the environment and only print this email if necessary. <br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>This email and any attachments to it are intended only for the party to <br>whom they are addressed. They may contain privileged and / or <br>confidential information. If you have received this transmission in
error<br>please notify the sender immediately and delete any digital copies and <br>destroy any paper copies. Thank you. Scott Wilson accepts no <br>contractual liabilities or commitments arising from this email unless <br>subsequently confirmed by fax or letter or as an email attachment <br>giving company name, address, registration number and authorized <br>signatory.<br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:19:28 -0600<br>From: Jason Glazer <<a ymailto="mailto:jglazer@gard.com" href="mailto:jglazer@gard.com">jglazer@gard.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] IES-VE<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@onebuilding.org</a><br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:4933E460.4030503@gard.com" href="mailto:4933E460.4030503@gard.com">4933E460.4030503@gard.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>I
would be glad to set up a new mailing list for users of <br>IES-VE using onebuilding.org, all we need is a name. <br>Unfortunately, I do not have permission to name the list <br>IES-VE-users or VE-users or anything that might be <br>trademarked. If someone can come up with a good name that is <br>not trademarked, I will set up a new mailing list.<br><br>Jason<br><br>On 11/28/2008 6:03 PM, Joel Londenberg wrote:<br>> Some time ago there was mention of creating a forum/mailing list <br>> specifically focused on the use of IES-VE. Has this materialized, can <br>> someone direct me to it?<br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Bldg-sim mailing list<br>> <a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org"
target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org</a><br>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <a ymailto="mailto:BLDG-SIM-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG" href="mailto:BLDG-SIM-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG">BLDG-SIM-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a><br><br>-- <br>Jason Glazer, P.E., GARD Analytics, 90.1 ECB chair<br>Admin for onebuilding.org building performance mailing lists<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:09:01 -0500<br>From: "James V. Dirkes II P.E." <<a ymailto="mailto:jvd2pe@tds.net" href="mailto:jvd2pe@tds.net">jvd2pe@tds.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and<br> Glazing<br>To: "'Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn'" <<a ymailto="mailto:ulrik.horn@silpainc.com" href="mailto:ulrik.horn@silpainc.com">ulrik.horn@silpainc.com</a>>,<br> <<a
ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>Message-ID: <CDD0066E87F140BABCF7AC76453A10CE@BPT><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Dear Ulrik,<br> <br>Since the intent of the Standard is to assign the better glazing performance<br>to non-North walls, I always rotate the glazing characteristics with the<br>building. (e.g., I assign the "North" glazing characteristics to the<br>elevation that, after rotating, faces North)<br> <br><br>The Building Performance Team<br>James V. Dirkes II, P.E., LEED AP<br>1631 Acacia Drive NW<br>Grand Rapids, MI 49504<br>616 450 8653<br><br> <br><br> <br><br> _____ <br><br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Ulrik<br>Welle-Strand Horn<br>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:30 AM<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Subject: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br><br><br>Dear all,<br><br>When you are rotating the building through 4 different orientations, do you<br>change the glazing so that the glazing with the highest SHGC is always faces<br>north, or do you put the glazing with high SHGC on the original north<br>facade, and then rotate the building so that the high SHGC glazing faces the<br>east, south and west orientations in subsequent simulations?<br><br>Yours faithfully,<br><br><br>Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn <br>Sustainability Engineer<br><br><br>Silpa Inc.<br>s i m p l e . s c i e n t i f i c . s u
s t a i n a b l e<br><br>AMERICAS | MIDDLE EAST | ASIA<br>www.silpainc.com <<a href="http://www.silpainc.com/" target="_blank">http://www.silpainc.com/</a>> <br><br><br>India: +91.90080.96083<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/attachments/20081201/5760c682/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/attachments/20081201/5760c682/attachment-0001.htm</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:21:55 -0600<br>From: Paul Riemer <<a ymailto="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com" href="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com">Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and<br> Glazing<br>To: "'James V. Dirkes II P.E.'" <<a
ymailto="mailto:jvd2pe@tds.net" href="mailto:jvd2pe@tds.net">jvd2pe@tds.net</a>>, 'Ulrik Welle-Strand<br> Horn' <<a ymailto="mailto:ulrik.horn@silpainc.com" href="mailto:ulrik.horn@silpainc.com">ulrik.horn@silpainc.com</a>>, "<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>"<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:057EF46662FE994F8119F0A903BCD0F8299BE6D91A@eml1.dunham.corp" href="mailto:057EF46662FE994F8119F0A903BCD0F8299BE6D91A@eml1.dunham.corp">057EF46662FE994F8119F0A903BCD0F8299BE6D91A@eml1.dunham.corp</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>I read Table G3.1 section 5 sub item (c) under the baseline building performance
column to require use of the "SHGC_all" for all vertical glazing. Have others read that and reached a different conclusion? Did I miss an addenda? or a CIR?<br><br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of James V. Dirkes II P.E.<br>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:09 AM<br>To: 'Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn'; <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br><br>Dear Ulrik,<br><br>Since the intent of the Standard is to assign the better glazing performance to non-North walls, I always rotate the
glazing characteristics with the building. (e.g., I assign the "North" glazing characteristics to the elevation that, after rotating, faces North)<br><br>The Building Performance Team<br>James V. Dirkes II, P.E., LEED AP<br>1631 Acacia Drive NW<br>Grand Rapids, MI 49504<br>616 450 8653<br><br><br><br>________________________________<br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn<br>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:30 AM<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Subject: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br>Dear
all,<br><br>When you are rotating the building through 4 different orientations, do you change the glazing so that the glazing with the highest SHGC is always faces north, or do you put the glazing with high SHGC on the original north facade, and then rotate the building so that the high SHGC glazing faces the east, south and west orientations in subsequent simulations?<br><br>Yours faithfully,<br><br><br>Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn<br>Sustainability Engineer<br><br>Silpa Inc.<br>s i m p l e . s c i e n t i f i c . s u s t a i n a b l e<br>AMERICAS | MIDDLE EAST | ASIA<br>www.silpainc.com<<a href="http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?1psKUPuX9JdZZWXPPxI05ihWSOxrBYdTdTdA3Q29uABiV2Hsbvg57OFeDlxV1KhW4E4u00CTHFK6QkQTAmbI3APrypI5-Aq83iScDE4iZ9aCBQQg22OTMgA7Cy096y0Kq81Dquq81bquq80N6nMDIVlxgQgr10Qg18_hik29KvxYY1NJ4SyrjvvuKYYYrV6r6"
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and<br> Glazing<br>To: "'Paul Riemer'" <<a ymailto="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com" href="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com">Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com</a>>, "'James V. Dirkes II<br> P.E.'" <<a ymailto="mailto:jvd2pe@tds.net" href="mailto:jvd2pe@tds.net">jvd2pe@tds.net</a>>, "'Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn'"<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:ulrik.horn@silpainc.com" href="mailto:ulrik.horn@silpainc.com">ulrik.horn@silpainc.com</a>>, <<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>Message-ID: <001d01c953c2$503ebee0$f0bc3ca0$@com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>I agree and was looking for that reference as we speak!<br><br> <br><br>Brenda V. Morawa, PE LEED AP QCxP<br><br>Co-Vice-Chair, USGBC LEED Certification
Committee<br><br>BVMELogo3jpg<br><br>404.806.2018 EXT 101<br><br>404.210.6593 (cell)<br><br> <br><br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Paul Riemer<br>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:22 AM<br>To: 'James V. Dirkes II P.E.'; 'Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn';<br><a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br><br> <br><br>I read Table G3.1 section 5 sub item (c) under the baseline building<br>performance column to require use of the "SHGC_all" for all vertical<br>glazing. Have others read
that and reached a different conclusion? Did I<br>miss an addenda? or a CIR?<br><br> <br><br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of James V. Dirkes<br>II P.E.<br>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:09 AM<br>To: 'Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn'; <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br><br> <br><br>Dear Ulrik,<br><br> <br><br>Since the intent of the Standard is to assign the better glazing performance<br>to non-North walls, I always rotate the glazing characteristics with the<br>building. (e.g.,
I assign the "North" glazing characteristics to the<br>elevation that, after rotating, faces North)<br><br> <br><br>The Building Performance Team<br>James V. Dirkes II, P.E., LEED AP<br>1631 Acacia Drive NW<br>Grand Rapids, MI 49504<br>616 450 8653<br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br> _____ <br><br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Ulrik<br>Welle-Strand Horn<br>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:30 AM<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Subject: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br><br>Dear all,<br><br>When you are
rotating the building through 4 different orientations, do you<br>change the glazing so that the glazing with the highest SHGC is always faces<br>north, or do you put the glazing with high SHGC on the original north<br>facade, and then rotate the building so that the high SHGC glazing faces the<br>east, south and west orientations in subsequent simulations?<br><br>Yours faithfully,<br><br><br>Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn <br>Sustainability Engineer<br><br><br>Silpa Inc.<br>s i m p l e . s c i e n t i f i c . s u s t a i n a b l e<br><br>AMERICAS | MIDDLE EAST | ASIA<br>www.silpainc.com<br><<a href="http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?1psKUPuX9JdZZWXPPxI05ihWSOxrBYdTdTdA3Q29u"
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ymailto="mailto:343a1a270812010642j72988fb5saf4873b9b2e5bf3@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:343a1a270812010642j72988fb5saf4873b9b2e5bf3@mail.gmail.com">343a1a270812010642j72988fb5saf4873b9b2e5bf3@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Paul,<br><br>That's a VERY valid point. Thanks for pointing it out.<br><br><br>*Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn *<br>Sustainability Engineer<br><br>*Silpa Inc.*<br>*s* i m p l e . *s* c i e n t i f i c . *s* u s t a i n a b l e<br>AMERICAS | MIDDLE EAST | ASIA<br>www.silpainc.com<br><br>India: +91.90080.96083<br><br>On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Paul Riemer <<a ymailto="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com" href="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com">Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com</a>>wrote:<br><br>> I read Table G3.1 section 5 sub item (c) under the baseline building<br>> performance column to require use of the "SHGC_all" for all vertical<br>> glazing.
Have others read that and reached a different conclusion? Did I<br>> miss an addenda? or a CIR?<br>><br>><br>><br>> *From:* <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] *On Behalf Of *James V. Dirkes II<br>> P.E.<br>> *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2008 8:09 AM<br>> *To:* 'Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn'; <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>> *Subject:* Re: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br>><br>><br>><br>> Dear Ulrik,<br>><br>><br>><br>> Since the intent of the Standard is to assign the better
glazing<br>> performance to non-North walls, I always rotate the glazing characteristics<br>> with the building. (e.g., I assign the "North" glazing characteristics to<br>> the elevation that, after rotating, faces North)<br>><br>><br>><br>> *The Building Performance Team<br>> James V. Dirkes II, P.E., LEED AP<br>> *1631 Acacia Drive NW<br>> Grand Rapids, MI 49504<br>> 616 450 8653<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> ------------------------------<br>><br>> *From:* <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] *On Behalf Of *Ulrik Welle-Strand<br>> Horn<br>> *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2008 7:30 AM<br>>
*To:* <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>> *Subject:* [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br>><br>> Dear all,<br>><br>> When you are rotating the building through 4 different orientations, do you<br>> change the glazing so that the glazing with the highest SHGC is always faces<br>> north, or do you put the glazing with high SHGC on the original north<br>> facade, and then rotate the building so that the high SHGC glazing faces the<br>> east, south and west orientations in subsequent simulations?<br>><br>> Yours faithfully,<br>><br>><br>> *Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn *<br>> Sustainability Engineer<br>><br>><br>> *Silpa Inc.*<br>> *s* i m p l e . *s* c i e n t i f i c . *s* u s t a i n a b l e<br>><br>> AMERICAS | MIDDLE EAST | ASIA<br>>
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ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:4933A7C9.08AC.0005.0@aeieng.com" href="mailto:4933A7C9.08AC.0005.0@aeieng.com">4933A7C9.08AC.0005.0@aeieng.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>A90.1-2007 removed the reference to SHGC_All and refers to the Chapter 5<br>tables. You should be able to use the SHGC_north in the baseline if you<br>follow 2007.<br>Regards,<br> <br> <br>Bill Talbert, PE, LEED? AP<br>Mechanical Systems<br>Phone: (608) 441-6677<br>E-mail: <a ymailto="mailto:btalbert@aeieng.com" href="mailto:btalbert@aeieng.com">btalbert@aeieng.com</a> <br><br>Affiliated Engineers Inc.<br>5802 Research Park Blvd.<br>Madison, WI. 53719<br>Tel. (608) 238-2616<br>Fax. (608) 238-2614<br><br><br>>>> "Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn" <<a ymailto="mailto:ulrik.horn@silpainc.com"
href="mailto:ulrik.horn@silpainc.com">ulrik.horn@silpainc.com</a>> 12/1/2008 8:42<br>AM >>><br>Paul, <br><br>That's a VERY valid point. Thanks for pointing it out.<br><br><br>Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn <br>Sustainability Engineer<br><br>Silpa Inc.<br>s i m p l e . s c i e n t i f i c . s u s t a i n a b l e<br>AMERICAS | MIDDLE EAST | ASIA<br>www.silpainc.com ( <a href="http://www.silpainc.com/" target="_blank">http://www.silpainc.com/</a> )<br><br>India: +91.90080.96083<br><br>On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Paul Riemer <<a ymailto="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com" href="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com">Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com</a>><br>wrote:<br><br><br><br>I read Table G3.1 section 5 sub item (c) under the baseline building<br>performance column to require use of the "SHGC_all" for all vertical<br>glazing. Have others read that and reached a different conclusion? Did<br>I miss an addenda? or a
CIR?<br> <br><br>From:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of James V.<br>Dirkes II P.E.<br>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:09 AM<br>To: 'Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn'; <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a> <br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and<br>Glazing<br><br> <br>Dear Ulrik,<br> <br>Since the intent of the Standard is to assign the better glazing<br>performance to non-North walls, I always rotate the glazing<br>characteristics with the building. (e.g., I assign the "North" glazing<br>characteristics to the elevation that, after rotating,
faces North)<br><br> <br><br>The Building Performance Team<br>James V. Dirkes II, P.E., LEED AP<br>1631 Acacia Drive NW<br>Grand Rapids, MI 49504<br>616 450 8653<br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br>From:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Ulrik<br>Welle-Strand Horn<br>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:30 AM<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a> <br>Subject: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br>Dear all,<br><br>When you are rotating the building through 4 different orientations, do<br>you change the glazing so that the glazing with the highest
SHGC is<br>always faces north, or do you put the glazing with high SHGC on the<br>original north facade, and then rotate the building so that the high<br>SHGC glazing faces the east, south and west orientations in subsequent<br>simulations?<br><br>Yours faithfully,<br><br><br>Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn <br>Sustainability Engineer<br><br><br>Silpa Inc.<br>si m p l e . s c i e n t i f i c . s u s t a i n a b l e<br><br>AMERICAS | MIDDLE EAST | ASIA<br>www.silpainc.com (<br><a href="http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?1psKUPuX9JdZZWXPPxI05ihWSOxrBYdTdTdA3Q29uABiV2Hsbvg57OFeDlxV1KhW4E4u00CTHFK6QkQTAmbI3APrypI5-Aq83iScDE4iZ9aCBQQg22OTMgA7Cy096y0Kq81Dquq81bquq80N6nMDIVlxgQgr10Qg18_hik29KvxYY1NJ4SyrjvvuKYYYrV6r6"
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Glazing<br>To: <<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:25F2BDB6656B8F40A1289ED906D6B5CF038E12DA@EXCHANGE1.cadd_group.ghtltd.com" href="mailto:25F2BDB6656B8F40A1289ED906D6B5CF038E12DA@EXCHANGE1.cadd_group.ghtltd.com">25F2BDB6656B8F40A1289ED906D6B5CF038E12DA@EXCHANGE1.cadd_group.ghtltd.com</a>><br> <br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>This is an interesting discussion (one that may have already occurred<br>previously). According to the 90.1 User Manual:<br><br> <br><br>"SHGC - The budget building design's fenestration solar heat gain<br>coefficient is set to the maximum required for the climate. The<br>prescriptive standards give SHGC criteria for all orientations and<br>provide an exception for north facing fenestration. The exception
is<br>not used for the baseline building; the criteria for all orientations<br>are used for all orientations..."<br><br> <br><br>However, even the LEED-NC EAc1 template differentiates between the North<br>SHGC and the rest of the fenestration....if the exception is not to be<br>used, why would the USGBC have a place to enter the SHGC(north) for the<br>baseline building?? And why would they accept two different SHGCs for<br>the baseline building on the template?<br><br> <br><br>I can't seem to find any NC or CS CIRs that address this.<br><br> <br><br>GHT Limited<br>James Hansen, PE, LEED AP<br><br>Senior Associate<br><br>1010 N. Glebe Rd, Suite 200<br><br>Arlington, VA 22201-4749<br><br>703-338-5754 (Cell)<br><br>703-243-1200 (Office)<br><br>703-276-1376 (Fax)<br><br>www.ghtltd.com <<a href="http://www.ghtltd.com/" target="_blank">http://www.ghtltd.com/</a>> <br><br> <br><br>From: <a
ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Ulrik<br>Welle-Strand Horn<br>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:42 AM<br>To: Paul Riemer<br>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br><br> <br><br>Paul, <br><br>That's a VERY valid point. Thanks for pointing it out.<br><br><br>Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn <br>Sustainability Engineer<br><br><br>Silpa Inc.<br>s i m p l e . s c i e n t i f i c . s u s t a i n a b l e<br><br>AMERICAS | MIDDLE EAST | ASIA<br>www.silpainc.com <<a
href="http://www.silpainc.com/" target="_blank">http://www.silpainc.com/</a>> <br><br><br>India: +91.90080.96083<br><br>On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Paul Riemer <<a ymailto="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com" href="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com">Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com</a>><br>wrote:<br><br>I read Table G3.1 section 5 sub item (c) under the baseline building<br>performance column to require use of the "SHGC_all" for all vertical<br>glazing. Have others read that and reached a different conclusion? Did<br>I miss an addenda? or a CIR?<br><br> <br><br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of James V.<br>Dirkes II P.E.<br>Sent: Monday,
December 01, 2008 8:09 AM<br>To: 'Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn'; <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br><br> <br><br>Dear Ulrik,<br><br> <br><br>Since the intent of the Standard is to assign the better glazing<br>performance to non-North walls, I always rotate the glazing<br>characteristics with the building. (e.g., I assign the "North" glazing<br>characteristics to the elevation that, after rotating, faces North)<br><br> <br><br>The Building Performance Team<br>James V. Dirkes II, P.E., LEED AP<br>1631 Acacia Drive NW<br>Grand Rapids, MI 49504<br>616 450 8653<br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br>________________________________<br><br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Ulrik<br>Welle-Strand Horn<br>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:30 AM<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Subject: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br><br>Dear all,<br><br>When you are rotating the building through 4 different orientations, do<br>you change the glazing so that the glazing with the highest SHGC is<br>always faces north, or do you put the glazing with high SHGC on the<br>original north facade, and then rotate the building so that the high<br>SHGC glazing faces the east, south and west orientations in subsequent<br>simulations?<br><br>Yours
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have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by return e-mail or by e-mail to <a ymailto="mailto:ght@ghtltd.com" href="mailto:ght@ghtltd.com">ght@ghtltd.com</a>, and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. Thank you.<br><br><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/attachments/20081201/73d57808/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/attachments/20081201/73d57808/attachment-0001.htm</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 11<br>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:10:15 -0500<br>From: "James Hansen" <<a ymailto="mailto:JHANSEN@ghtltd.com" href="mailto:JHANSEN@ghtltd.com">JHANSEN@ghtltd.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and<br>
Glazing<br>To: <<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:25F2BDB6656B8F40A1289ED906D6B5CF038E12DB@EXCHANGE1.cadd_group.ghtltd.com" href="mailto:25F2BDB6656B8F40A1289ED906D6B5CF038E12DB@EXCHANGE1.cadd_group.ghtltd.com">25F2BDB6656B8F40A1289ED906D6B5CF038E12DB@EXCHANGE1.cadd_group.ghtltd.com</a>><br> <br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Sorry, I should have read further before posting. In the LEED-NC<br>reference guide, it states:<br><br> <br><br>"The four Baseline Design energy models are identical to each other,<br>except that the building orientation for each model is modified as<br>described in ASHRAE Std 90.1 Table G3.5.1a, and the window SHGCs are<br>revised to reflect the minimum ASHRAE Building Envelope Requirements for<br>the revised building
orientation."<br><br> <br><br>In other words, the USGBC, whether on purpose or not, has provided its<br>own exception to 90.1 that allows you to use the SHGC(north) in the<br>baseline models. And yes, after rotating, you have to reassign the<br>proper SHGCs to the new "north".<br><br> <br><br>GHT Limited<br>James Hansen, PE, LEED AP<br><br>Senior Associate<br><br>1010 N. Glebe Rd, Suite 200<br><br>Arlington, VA 22201-4749<br><br>703-338-5754 (Cell)<br><br>703-243-1200 (Office)<br><br>703-276-1376 (Fax)<br><br>www.ghtltd.com <<a href="http://www.ghtltd.com/" target="_blank">http://www.ghtltd.com/</a>> <br><br> <br><br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of James<br>Hansen<br>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:01 AM<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br><br> <br><br>This is an interesting discussion (one that may have already occurred<br>previously). According to the 90.1 User Manual:<br><br> <br><br>"SHGC - The budget building design's fenestration solar heat gain<br>coefficient is set to the maximum required for the climate. The<br>prescriptive standards give SHGC criteria for all orientations and<br>provide an exception for north facing fenestration. The exception is<br>not used for the baseline building; the criteria for all orientations<br>are used for all orientations..."<br><br> <br><br>However,
even the LEED-NC EAc1 template differentiates between the North<br>SHGC and the rest of the fenestration....if the exception is not to be<br>used, why would the USGBC have a place to enter the SHGC(north) for the<br>baseline building?? And why would they accept two different SHGCs for<br>the baseline building on the template?<br><br> <br><br>I can't seem to find any NC or CS CIRs that address this.<br><br> <br><br>GHT Limited<br>James Hansen, PE, LEED AP<br><br>Senior Associate<br><br>1010 N. Glebe Rd, Suite 200<br><br>Arlington, VA 22201-4749<br><br>703-338-5754 (Cell)<br><br>703-243-1200 (Office)<br><br>703-276-1376 (Fax)<br><br>www.ghtltd.com <<a href="http://www.ghtltd.com/" target="_blank">http://www.ghtltd.com/</a>> <br><br> <br><br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>[mailto:<a
ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Ulrik<br>Welle-Strand Horn<br>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:42 AM<br>To: Paul Riemer<br>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br><br> <br><br>Paul, <br><br>That's a VERY valid point. Thanks for pointing it out.<br><br><br>Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn <br>Sustainability Engineer<br><br><br>Silpa Inc.<br>s i m p l e . s c i e n t i f i c . s u s t a i n a b l e<br><br>AMERICAS | MIDDLE EAST | ASIA<br>www.silpainc.com <<a href="http://www.silpainc.com/" target="_blank">http://www.silpainc.com/</a>> <br><br><br>India: +91.90080.96083<br><br>On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Paul Riemer <<a
ymailto="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com" href="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com">Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com</a>><br>wrote:<br><br>I read Table G3.1 section 5 sub item (c) under the baseline building<br>performance column to require use of the "SHGC_all" for all vertical<br>glazing. Have others read that and reached a different conclusion? Did<br>I miss an addenda? or a CIR?<br><br> <br><br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of James V.<br>Dirkes II P.E.<br>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:09 AM<br>To: 'Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn'; <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br><br> <br><br>Dear Ulrik,<br><br> <br><br>Since the intent of the Standard is to assign the better glazing<br>performance to non-North walls, I always rotate the glazing<br>characteristics with the building. (e.g., I assign the "North" glazing<br>characteristics to the elevation that, after rotating, faces North)<br><br> <br><br>The Building Performance Team<br>James V. Dirkes II, P.E., LEED AP<br>1631 Acacia Drive NW<br>Grand Rapids, MI 49504<br>616 450 8653<br><br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br>________________________________<br><br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Ulrik<br>Welle-Strand Horn<br>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:30 AM<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Subject: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br><br>Dear all,<br><br>When you are rotating the building through 4 different orientations, do<br>you change the glazing so that the glazing with the highest SHGC is<br>always faces north, or do you put the glazing with high SHGC on the<br>original north facade, and then rotate the building so that the high<br>SHGC glazing faces the east, south and west orientations in subsequent<br>simulations?<br><br>Yours faithfully,<br><br><br>Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn <br>Sustainability Engineer<br><br><br>Silpa Inc.<br>s i m p l e . s c i e n t i f i c . s u s
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HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/attachments/20081201/2853a28b/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/attachments/20081201/2853a28b/attachment-0001.htm</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 12<br>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:12:21 -0800 (PST)<br>From: "Nathan Miller" <<a ymailto="mailto:nathanm@rushingco.com" href="mailto:nathanm@rushingco.com">nathanm@rushingco.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] calculating the mean monthly outdoor temp<br>To: "'Chris Yates'" <<a ymailto="mailto:Chris@zed-uk.com" href="mailto:Chris@zed-uk.com">Chris@zed-uk.com</a>>, "'Building Simulation'"<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>Message-ID:
<008301c953d7$f42c7c80$dc857580$@com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"<br><br>I'm no statistician, but I've always been dubious about that calculation.<br>You are taking the mean of two means, which seems to be getting farther<br>and farther from actual data.<br><br>It also seems to punish some of the climates that are best suited for<br>natural ventilation, since having cool nights significantly drops the<br>acceptability limits. I assume they are pushing you to take advantage of<br>night pre-cooling and thermal mass, but I find it curious that there are<br>no allowable hours outside of the range. All of the pre-cooling in the<br>world isn't going to help you keep the temperatures down during that one<br>string of 90 degree days in the tmy2 file...<br><br>Nathan Miller<br><br>Senior Energy Engineer/Mechanical Engineer<br><br>direct: 206.788.4577<br><br>fax: 206.285.7111 <br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From:
<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>[mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Chris Yates<br>Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:30 AM<br>To: Building Simulation<br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] calculating the mean monthly outdoor temp<br><br>There is a small difference between the arithmetic mean of the monthly <br>mean max and min and the overall arithmetic mean of 720 hours of weather <br>data. Like you say, it's probably a legacy from the old pen and paper<br>days.<br>I've heard that some would use occupied period only to calculate the <br>mean. However, I can not find any reference in the text of A55 to <br>justify this. Being able to average the warmer occupied hours would make <br>things a whole lot
easier - even the 80% acceptability temperature can <br>regularly be lower than the summertime peaks. It's a tough call for <br>natural ventilation.<br><br>Many thanks<br><br>Chris<br><br>Joe Huang wrote:<br>> The cited method sounds like a carry-over from when stations reported <br>> only max/min temperatures.<br>> If hourly data is available, why wouldn't you just calculate the mean <br>> of all the temperatures ?<br>><br>> Joe Huang<br>> White Box Technologies<br>><br>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Yates" <<a ymailto="mailto:Chris@zed-uk.com" href="mailto:Chris@zed-uk.com">Chris@zed-uk.com</a>><br>> To: "Building Simulation" <<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 1:58 PM<br>> Subject: [Bldg-sim] calculating the mean monthly outdoor
temp<br>><br>><br>>> For the purpose of acceptability limits, can anybody cite any <br>>> guidance on calculating the mean monthly outdoor temperature? I've <br>>> read ASHRAE 55 and it states: "mean monthly outdoor temperature is <br>>> the arithmetic average of the mean daily minimum and the mean daily <br>>> maximum outdoor (dry bulb) temperature for the month in question."<br>>> Thanks<br>>> _______________________________________________<br>>> Bldg-sim mailing list<br>>> <a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org</a><br>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:BLDG-SIM-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG"
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ymailto="mailto:btalbert@aeieng.com" href="mailto:btalbert@aeieng.com">btalbert@aeieng.com</a>>, "Paul Riemer"<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com" href="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com">Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com</a>>, "Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn"<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:ulrik.horn@silpainc.com" href="mailto:ulrik.horn@silpainc.com">ulrik.horn@silpainc.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>>,<br> <a ymailto="mailto:901ecb@gard.com" href="mailto:901ecb@gard.com">901ecb@gard.com</a><br>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:4933BACE.0661.0093.0@archenergy.com"
href="mailto:4933BACE.0661.0093.0@archenergy.com">4933BACE.0661.0093.0@archenergy.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>All;<br>I certainly do NOT think the 2007 PRM requires that the baseline glazing "North" SHGCs be "moved" as the "North" exposures change in each of the simulations that generates the "baseline building performance." I could see how one might think that, but say it ain't so. I assume the baseline "North" SHGC is applied to what would be "North" glazing in the proposed and unrotated baseline models, and those glazing parameters are left in place for that facade as the baseline model is rotated. I don't think this has been fodder for a USGBC CIR or ASHRAE interpretation yet, but maybe I'm out of touch. Addendum A to 2004, which removed the glazing redistribution requirement, still used SHGC_all for all baseline glazing. I thought this had been incorporated verbatim in the 2007 edits but noooooo. Time to get
out the magnifier and channel my inner attorney.<br> <br>Fred<br><br>>>> "Bill Talbert" <<a ymailto="mailto:btalbert@aeieng.com" href="mailto:btalbert@aeieng.com">btalbert@aeieng.com</a>> 12/1/2008 8:00 AM >>><br>A90.1-2007 removed the reference to SHGC_All and refers to the Chapter 5 tables. You should be able to use the SHGC_north in the baseline if you follow 2007.<br>Regards,<br> <br> <br><br><br><br>From:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of James V. Dirkes II P.E.<br>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:09 AM<br>To: 'Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn'; <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a> <br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br><br>Dear Ulrik,<br>Since the intent of the Standard is to assign the better glazing performance to non-North walls, I always rotate the glazing characteristics with the building. (e.g., I assign the "North" glazing characteristics to the elevation that, after rotating, faces North)<br><br>From:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn<br>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:30 AM<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org"
href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a> <br>Subject: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing<br>Dear all,<br><br>When you are rotating the building through 4 different orientations, do you change the glazing so that the glazing with the highest SHGC is always faces north, or do you put the glazing with high SHGC on the original north facade, and then rotate the building so that the high SHGC glazing faces the east, south and west orientations in subsequent simulations?<br><br>Yours faithfully,<br><br><br>Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn <br>Sustainability Engineer<br> <br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/attachments/20081201/0d6298ce/attachment-0001.htm"
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monthly temperature ties the hands of innovative engineers <br>in opportune climates.<br>In Northern Virginia I use an opening roof skylight to dump excessive <br>solar gain in the late afternoon.<br>This operational variation is only practiced the last week of September <br>to the second week of October<br>depending depending on the particular year's weather<br><br>It would be appropriate to use mean monthly temperature for calculating <br>long term Geothermal field<br>effects on the other hand.......<br><br><br>Nathan Miller wrote:<br>> I'm no statistician, but I've always been dubious about that calculation.<br>> You are taking the mean of two means, which seems to be getting farther<br>> and farther from actual data.<br>><br>> It also seems to punish some of the climates that are best suited for<br>> natural ventilation, since having cool nights significantly drops the<br>> acceptability limits. I assume they are
pushing you to take advantage of<br>> night pre-cooling and thermal mass, but I find it curious that there are<br>> no allowable hours outside of the range. All of the pre-cooling in the<br>> world isn't going to help you keep the temperatures down during that one<br>> string of 90 degree days in the tmy2 file...<br>><br>> Nathan Miller<br>><br>> Senior Energy Engineer/Mechanical Engineer<br>><br>> direct: 206.788.4577<br>><br>> fax: 206.285.7111 <br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] On Behalf Of Chris Yates<br>> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:30 AM<br>> To: Building
Simulation<br>> Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] calculating the mean monthly outdoor temp<br>><br>> There is a small difference between the arithmetic mean of the monthly <br>> mean max and min and the overall arithmetic mean of 720 hours of weather <br>> data. Like you say, it's probably a legacy from the old pen and paper<br>> days.<br>> I've heard that some would use occupied period only to calculate the <br>> mean. However, I can not find any reference in the text of A55 to <br>> justify this. Being able to average the warmer occupied hours would make <br>> things a whole lot easier - even the 80% acceptability temperature can <br>> regularly be lower than the summertime peaks. It's a tough call for <br>> natural ventilation.<br>><br>> Many thanks<br>><br>> Chris<br>><br>> Joe Huang wrote:<br>> <br>>> The cited method sounds like a carry-over from when stations reported <br>>> only
max/min temperatures.<br>>> If hourly data is available, why wouldn't you just calculate the mean <br>>> of all the temperatures ?<br>>><br>>> Joe Huang<br>>> White Box Technologies<br>>><br>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Yates" <<a ymailto="mailto:Chris@zed-uk.com" href="mailto:Chris@zed-uk.com">Chris@zed-uk.com</a>><br>>> To: "Building Simulation" <<a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>>> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 1:58 PM<br>>> Subject: [Bldg-sim] calculating the mean monthly outdoor temp<br>>><br>>><br>>> <br>>>> For the purpose of acceptability limits, can anybody cite any <br>>>> guidance on calculating the mean monthly outdoor temperature? I've <br>>>> read ASHRAE 55 and it states: "mean monthly
outdoor temperature is <br>>>> the arithmetic average of the mean daily minimum and the mean daily <br>>>> maximum outdoor (dry bulb) temperature for the month in question."<br>>>> Thanks<br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> Bldg-sim mailing list<br>>>> <a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org</a><br>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <br>>>> <a ymailto="mailto:BLDG-SIM-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG" href="mailto:BLDG-SIM-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG">BLDG-SIM-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a><br>>>><br>>>> <br>>><br>>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Bldg-sim mailing list<br>> <a
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attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/attachments/20081201/044e35d8/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/pipermail/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org/attachments/20081201/044e35d8/attachment-0001.htm</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 15<br>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:55:08 -0700<br>From: "Josh K" <<a ymailto="mailto:jeemang@gmail.com" href="mailto:jeemang@gmail.com">jeemang@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] DOE-2.2 geometry import troubles<br>To: "Brandon Nichols" <<a ymailto="mailto:bwnichols@gmail.com" href="mailto:bwnichols@gmail.com">bwnichols@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a ymailto="mailto:531759080812011155r4275050bn599212d646904d2d@mail.gmail.com"
href="mailto:531759080812011155r4275050bn599212d646904d2d@mail.gmail.com">531759080812011155r4275050bn599212d646904d2d@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Hi Brandon;<br><br>I've been doing some "reverse engineering," and I keep coming back to the<br>same problem: my FLOOR AND SPACE polygons appear in eQuest exactly where I<br>expect them to, but all of the EXTERIOR-WALL polygons, if no translations<br>are applied (ie X, Y, Z, AZIMUTH, TILT = 0) , appear rotated 180 degrees<br>around the building coordinate X axis relative to where I would expect them<br>to be. Also, oddly, the TILT and AZIMUTH transformations, when specified,<br>take place relative to this rotated coordinate system -- ie, the AZIMUTH<br>rotation is about the buidling coordinate *negative *z-axis -- while the<br>translation transformation (as specified by X, Y, and Z) take place as<br>expected (in the building coordinate system).<br><br>Very
strange stuff. I get the feeling that this has something to do with the<br>EXTERIOR-WALL coordinate system being dependant on the SPACE coordinate<br>system which is, in turn, dependant on the FLOOR coordinate system. As it<br>stands, my FLOOR, SPACE, and EXTERIOR WALL object that represents the floor<br>all use the same POLYGON object -- does anyone know if this in itself is a<br>problem? My instinct is that I'm somehow misunderstanding this relationship,<br>but I've done some fiddling in this regard and haven't been able to change<br>very much...<br><br>Again, if anyone has any insight on this issue, it would be greatly<br>appreciated.<br><br>Thanks a lot,<br><br>Josh<br><br>On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:47 AM, Brandon Nichols <<a ymailto="mailto:bwnichols@gmail.com" href="mailto:bwnichols@gmail.com">bwnichols@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Suggest reverse engineering...define your objective in eQuest (starting<br>> with the lower-leftmost
vertex for all polygons) and compare the resulting<br>> inp file to yours. Also take a close look at the DOE2.2 documentation,<br>> wherein the coordinate system is detailed.<br>><br>> Suspected root cause issue is the disconnect going from the eQuest<br>> Floor/Zone editor, where all zone (space) coordinates are entered absolute,<br>> to the .inp file where the eQuest stores coordinates of space polygons<br>> relative to the floor polygon.<br>><br>> Suggest always starting all polygons with the lower-leftmost vertex, to<br>> help make sense of the relative coordinates and azimuths. This habit is one<br>> you'll be glad to have acquired, should dissecting inp files become your<br>> muse.<br>><br>> Regards<br>><br>> Brandon Nichols<br>> BW Nichols PE<br>> Seattle WA<br>><br>><br>> On Nov 6, 2008 4:34 PM, "Josh K" <<a ymailto="mailto:jeemang@gmail.com"
href="mailto:jeemang@gmail.com">jeemang@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> Hi all;<br>><br>> I'm trying to figure out how to manually enter geometry in DOE-2.2 and I'm<br>> having a little bit of trouble. My problems are myriad, but they essentially<br>> boil down to this: when I enter<br>><br>> polygon.0 = POLYGON<br>> V1 = (0.0,0.0)<br>> V2 = (200,0)<br>> V3 = (200,300)<br>> V4 = (0,300)<br>> ..<br>><br>> floor.0 = FLOOR<br>> AZIMUTH = 360<br>> POLYGON = polygon.0<br>> SHAPE = POLYGON<br>> FLOOR-HEIGHT = 3.28<br>> SPACE-HEIGHT = 3.28<br>> ..<br>><br>> space.0 = SPACE<br>> ZONE-TYPE = UNCONDITIONED<br>> POLYGON = polygon.0<br>> SHAPE = POLYGON<br>> ..<br>><br>> face.0 = EXTERIOR-WALL<br>> POLYGON = polygon.0<br>> X = 0<br>> Y =
0<br>> Z = 0.0<br>> AZIMUTH = 0.0<br>> TILT = 0.0<br>> CONSTRUCTION = "EWall Construction"<br>> ..<br>><br>> and import it to eQuest (the only good way I can think of to check if I've<br>> entered my geometry correctly), the resulting EXTERIOR-WALL surface is not<br>> where I expect it to be. I was expecting it to be in "NE" quadrant of the<br>> the building's XY plane, but instead it's in the "SW" quadrant, as if it had<br>> been rotated 180 degrees about the building coordinate system's z-axis.<br>> Puzzlingly, the SPACE and FLOOR objects appear where I would expect them to<br>> -- in the building's "NE" quadrant.<br>><br>> Clearly I'm misunderstanding something about how POLYGON objects are to be<br>> positioned. If anyone could help me to understand what I've got wrong, I<br>> would greatly appreciate it.<br>><br>> Many thanks,<br>><br>>
Josh<br>><br>><br>> --<br>> Josh Kjenner, EIT, LEED AP<br>> Manasc Isaac Architects Ltd.<br>> 10225 100 Avenue :: Edmonton, AB T5J 0A1<br>> 780.429.3977<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Bldg-sim mailing list<br>> <a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org</a><br>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:BLDG-SIM-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG" href="mailto:BLDG-SIM-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG">BLDG-SIM-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a><br>><br>><br><br><br>-- <br>Josh Kjenner, EIT, LEED AP<br>Manasc Isaac Architects Ltd.<br>10225 100 Avenue :: Edmonton, AB T5J 0A1<br>780.429.3977<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a
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