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<DIV>Aha. Yes, there it is in the NC 2.2 revised EAc1 section, <EM>not</EM> under the envelope heading of course. But if using the PRM from the 2007 App G, I would reference the 2007 Users' Manual for further explanation and find on G-16:</DIV>
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<DIV>SHGC<BR>"... The prescriptive standards give SHGC criteria<BR>for all orientations and provide an<BR>exception for north facing fenestration.<BR><STRONG>The exception is not used for the baseline<BR>building; the criteria for all orientations are<BR>used for all orientations.</STRONG> The maximum<BR>SHGC is a function of the glazing<BR>percentage, which is taken from the<BR>proposed design or 40% of the gross<BR>above-grade exterior wall, which ever is<BR>less."</DIV>
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<DIV>Which happens to be exactly the same text as in the 2004 UM. Of course, if using 2007 App G, baseline models are supposed to reflect the more stringent window parameters in Chapter 5.</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>>>> "James Hansen" <JHANSEN@ghtltd.com> 12/1/2008 8:10 AM >>><BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Sorry, I should have read further before posting. In the LEED-NC reference guide, it states:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">“The four Baseline Design energy models are identical to each other, except that the building orientation for each model is modified as described in ASHRAE Std 90.1 Table G3.5.1a, and the window SHGCs are revised to reflect the minimum ASHRAE Building Envelope Requirements for the revised building orientation.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">In other words, the USGBC, whether on purpose or not, has provided its own exception to 90.1 that allows you to use the SHGC(north) in the baseline models. And yes, after rotating, you have to reassign the proper SHGCs to the new “north”.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">This is an interesting discussion (one that may have already occurred previously). According to the 90.1 User Manual:</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">“SHGC – The budget building design’s fenestration solar heat gain coefficient is set to the maximum required for the climate. The prescriptive standards give SHGC criteria for all orientations and provide an exception for north facing fenestration. <B>The exception is not used for the baseline building</B>; the criteria for all orientations are used for all orientations…”</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">However, even the LEED-NC EAc1 template differentiates between the North SHGC and the rest of the fenestration….if the exception is not to be used, why would the USGBC have a place to enter the SHGC(north) for the baseline building?? And why would they accept two different SHGCs for the baseline building on the template?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Paul, <BR><BR>That's a VERY valid point. Thanks for pointing it out.<BR><BR><BR><B>Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn </B><BR>Sustainability Engineer<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Paul Riemer <<A href="mailto:Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com">Paul.Riemer@dunhameng.com</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d">I read Table G3.1 section 5 sub item (c) under the baseline building performance column to require use of the "SHGC_all" for all vertical glazing. Have others read that and reached a different conclusion? Did I miss an addenda? or a CIR?</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</A> [mailto:<A href="mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>James V. Dirkes II P.E.<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 01, 2008 8:09 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn'; <A href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bldg-sim] Appendix G - Base Case Orientations and Glazing</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">Since the intent of the Standard is to assign the better glazing performance to non-North walls, I always rotate the glazing characteristics with the building. (e.g., I assign the "North" glazing characteristics to the elevation that, after rotating, faces North)</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">Dear all,<BR><BR>When you are rotating the building through 4 different orientations, do you change the glazing so that the glazing with the highest SHGC is always faces north, or do you put the glazing with high SHGC on the original north facade, and then rotate the building so that the high SHGC glazing faces the east, south and west orientations in subsequent simulations?<BR><BR>Yours faithfully,<BR><BR><BR><B>Ulrik Welle-Strand Horn </B><BR>Sustainability Engineer<o:p></o:p></P>
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