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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>James Hansen<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, November 07, 2008
10:08 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bldg-sim] App G system
type 6 story 100,000 sq ft building</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I searched thru the archives but couldn't
fiind an answer to this. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Why is there a direct conflict in the required Baseline
system type between the App G chart in 90.1 and the wording in the 90.1 user
manual?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I have a 6-story building that is 100,000 sq ft. If I
read Table G3.1.1A of 90.1, it says:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>"Nonresidential & More than 5 floors OR >
150,000 sq ft", that I should use System 8 (VAV with PFP boxes).</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Even Table G-A in the User Manual says the same thing.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>In addition, the requirements for using System 6 say:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>"Non residential, 4 or 5 floors or less than
75,000 sq ft OR 5 floors or less and 75,000 - 150,000 sq ft".</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Both of these facts would lead me to believe that anything
over 5 stories should be System 8. However, the wording in the User
Manual goes on to say that:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>"For intermediate-sized buildings that are 4 or
5 floors and less than 75,000 sq ft or <u>more than 5 floors and between 75,000
and 150,000 sq ft</u>, the baseline building HVAC system for electric heat is
packaged VAV system."</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I've finished modeling the Baseline building with System 8,
but now that I've read the User Manual, it would appear that I am supposed to
use PVAV. I really hope I don't have to go back and change the baseline
system again.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Any thoughts?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thanks</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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