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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Eric,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I believe this document as written applies only if the
project utilizes district energy and so if you are not using district
energy, Tables G3.1.1A & B stand.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008></SPAN><SPAN
class=685365912-10062008></SPAN><SPAN class=685365912-10062008></SPAN><SPAN
class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>According to the document, feedback should go to <A
href="mailto:leedinfo@usgbc.org">leedinfo@usgbc.org</A> and
I h</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>ave just submitted the following
questions:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><SPAN
class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=293424713-10062008>Does Table 4 direct the comparison of all district
energy cooling against electric cooling?</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><SPAN
class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=293424713-10062008>Does Table 4 direct the comparison of all district
energy heating against natural gas or oil fired
heating?</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><SPAN
class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=293424713-10062008></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><SPAN
class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=293424713-10062008>Is the intent to model the district
energy system with the utility rates that it actually operates
under?</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><SPAN
class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=293424713-10062008></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><SPAN
class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=293424713-10062008>Are the project's saving adjusted lower if the
proposed or default district energy system efficiency is lower than the baseline
system efficiency?</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><SPAN
class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=293424713-10062008></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><SPAN
class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=293424713-10062008>Worded another way:</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN></DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Does the project receive Step 2's point value whether it
is higher or lower than Step 1 within the bounds of</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>1) maximum of 4 additional points by Step 2 over Step
1</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>2) 2 points shown in Step 1 (b</FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>ecause if Step 1
shows 2 or more points and Step 2 <SPAN
class=293424713-10062008>shows less than </SPAN>2 points<SPAN
class=293424713-10062008>, then </SPAN>the project would elect not to pursue
more than the minimum and thus not document Step
2)</FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I encourage others to share their questions or feedback
while the document is new. Also, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>ASHRAE's 90.1 ECB
committee is working on addressing the same issue which presumably will result
in a publicly reviewable proposed
addenda.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008></SPAN><SPAN
class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Paul Riemer</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Dunham</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=685365912-10062008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Eric
Youngson<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 09, 2008 4:32 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
bldg-sim<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bldg-sim] Required Treatment of District
Thermal Energy in LEED-NC version 2.2<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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Calibri?,?sans-serif?;color:#1F497D?="">
Does anyone have an opinion on whether this document will help to allow a
direct comparison between installing a geothermal plant rather than connecting
to an existing steam plant in a campus situation
(University).`<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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Calibri?,?sans-serif?;color:#1F497D?="">As I’ve read it so far this type of
comparison is what the document is intended to address, however upon closer
reading the actual energy study requirements for Step 2 (Aggregate building /
DES scenario) energy model the comparison requires a “virtual on-site hot
water / chiller” for the proposed case model rather than comparing the central
plant in the baseline model to an “as designed” model such as is the case in
Step 1.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Paul
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