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color=#0000ff size=2>David,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=708512718-09052008><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks for pointing that out - there is a typo in the
paper. The formula should read</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<P>Q</FONT><FONT size=1>SOL </FONT><FONT size=2>+ Q</FONT><FONT size=1>EQU
</FONT><FONT size=2>+ Q</FONT><FONT size=1>PPL </FONT><FONT size=2>=<SPAN
class=708512718-09052008> </SPAN><SPAN class=708512718-09052008><FONT
color=#ff0000><STRONG>(</STRONG></FONT></SPAN>M*C</FONT><FONT
size=1>P <SPAN class=708512718-09052008><FONT
color=#ff0000><STRONG>+</STRONG></FONT> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=2>UA</FONT><FONT size=1>BLD<SPAN class=708512718-09052008><STRONG><FONT
color=#ff0000>)</FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </FONT><FONT size=2>x (T</FONT><FONT
size=1>DES </FONT><FONT size=2>– T</FONT><FONT size=1>BAL</FONT><FONT
size=2>)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><SPAN class=708512718-09052008>The software uses the correct
formula though. At this point we (Lord Aeck Sargent & The Rocky Mountain
Institute) use this as a schematic design tool on quite a few projects, and find
its quite useful. The plan is to ultimately make this available freely (I would
like to make it work with the new TMY3 files before I start giving it away
though). </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=708512718-09052008>Once again - thanks for pointing out the typo - sharp
eyes (sharper than mine when I was typing out the paper at 2am).
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> David Bryan [mailto:DBryan@AmerIndian.com]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 09, 2008 2:16 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Vikram
Sami<BR><B>Cc:</B> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Bldg-sim] Balance point temperature for houses<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV><PRE><BIG><FONT size=-1><BIG><FONT face=Arial><SMALL>Vikram -</SMALL></FONT></BIG></FONT></BIG></PRE><PRE><BIG><FONT size=-1><BIG><FONT face=Arial><SMALL>The balance point tool looks extremely useful during the building design stages when it wpould be much more practical than a detailed energy model.
I look forward to its availability.
Do you intend it to be for commercial as well as residential buildings?
In that case it would need a way to input code-required minimum ventilation rates with some heat exchange options.
The formula Qint = M*Cp UAbld x (Tdes-Tbal) looks odd. Maybe I don't understand the units, but should that be Qint = (M/hr*Cp + UAbld) x (Tdes-Tbal)?</SMALL></FONT></BIG></FONT></BIG></PRE><PRE><BIG><FONT size=-1><BIG><FONT face=Arial><SMALL>Thanks,</SMALL></FONT></BIG></FONT></BIG></PRE><FONT
size=-1><FONT face=Arial></FONT></FONT><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">Dave Bryan
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</PRE><BR><BR>Vikram Sami wrote:
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cite=mid:55BA83825A482144A8637F9CAA981F76102A8B7A@las-mail.lordaecksargent.internal
type="cite"><PRE wrap="">
I have been working on developing an analysis tool that extends the
building passive envelope season based on a dynamic balance point
analysis (see attached)
Vikram Sami, LEED AP
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Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Balance point temperature for houses
Dr. Abaza :
The TREAT (Targeted Residential Energy Analysis Tool) whole building
energy simulation software package can determine a building's balance
point (both heating and cooling) given the building description. One can
construct a 'simple' model of a typical house in about 15 minutes, and
TMY2 weather files for all 50 states are included for driving the model.
It would be pretty simple to make some parametric runs varying both
climate and envelope /infiltration to produce a range of balance point
temps. We have found both insulation levels and air infiltration
(tightness of the envelope) often have the greatest effect on the
balance point of a given structure, along with the temperature setpoints
used for heating and cooling. Significant internal gains, of course, can
also drive the balance points.
A 30 day fully functional version (free download) of the TREAT software
is available from <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.treatsoftware.com">http://www.treatsoftware.com</A>
Best,
_Chris
Chris Balbach, PE, CEM
Vice President of Research and Development
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Michael Blasnik wrote:
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">In my experience from analyzing utility usage data with a floating
balance point, the typical effective heating balance point in US homes
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">will usually be in the range of 54F - 62F (for true heating climates).
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Newer homes are usually closer to the low end of the scale while older
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">homes are on the higher end. Electrically heated homes tend to be on
the lower end but it's not clear how much of that difference is the
effects of vintage/thermal integrity vs. lower thermostat set points
or zoning.
There may be some published results in ACEEE summer study proceedings,
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">but I can't recall any specific reference.
Michael Blasnik
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Subject: [Bldg-sim] Balance point temperature for houses
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<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Could you please help. Is there any recent data or survey about the
balance point temperature of homes in the US. Is the 65F still
applicable?
I appreciate any input.
Dr. H. Abaza
ECU
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