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bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>C. J. Gann<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February 27, 2008
10:10 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Amanda Bogner';
bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-sim] ASHRAE
90.1 & Shading from adjacent buildings</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>P. G-14 in the ASHRAE 90.1-2004 User's
Manual states that "self-shading" (in the case of an L-shaped
building for instance) is ignored in the baseline building but credited to the
proposed building when it is a benefit.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Amanda Bogner<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February 27, 2008
8:45 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bldg-sim] ASHRAE 90.1
& Shading from adjacent buildings</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>Can anyone confirm or refute that <u>shading provided by
adjacent buildings</u> is allowed to be included when modeling according
to ASHRAE 90.1 PRM or ECB protocol? I am not able to find any
statements in the document related to this specific issue. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Calibri'>If it is allowed, does it need to be provided on both proposed
design and baseline models? Or can it only be modeled on the proposed
design like all other shading devices? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
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