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<div>I would second John's thoughts. There is a steep learning curve involved and training definitely helps. There are so many complexities in each project with each system and building one is trying to model that each project results in learning something new. EnergyPro is good for Title 24 compliance but for energy analysis and trying out different energy efficient measures such as different glazing, wall assemblies, system types and for LEED, eQuest is a great tool. We have had discussions earlier on this forum so please see the archives.
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<div>Just to make my position clear- I love eQuest. Most of my work involves using this software. There are so many things that one can do with eQuest, that one can not do with other software- e.g. the 3D model of the building is a great feature in eQuest. I can't imagine if I could have done that complex geometry in EnergyPro itself. And it was a blessing in disguise that I had an eQuest model for the project.
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<div>But then again, I will never use eQuest for Title 24 compliance.</div>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
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<div>Gaurav Mehta</div>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 1/24/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">W. Peter Anderson</b> <<a href="mailto:panderson@jpengineer.com">panderson@jpengineer.com</a>> wrote:</span>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Greetings I have just started using eQuest and am working on a relatively simple model (not Tilte 24).</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I was considering EnergyPro but was persuaded to go with eQuest.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I am getting the impression from these dialogues (as well as others) over the past week that EnergyPro is a much better program. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Personally, I have been getting very frustrated with eQuest just in trying to model a basic building - 3 floors with different occupancys/construction; editing schedules, modeling existing HVAC systems.
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Is that a general consensous?</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Regards,</font></div><span class="sg">
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">W. Peter Anderson, P.E<br>JP Engineering<br></font></div></span>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 24, 2008 1:00 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] Title-24 modeling w/ eQUEST</div>
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<p style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I ran into a similar problem myself and it was just a few days before the deadline. Having received no support from the eQuest developers, I had to rebuild the model in EnergyPro.
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<p style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">However, I would like to add here that the project I was dealing with has a complex geometry- the whole building is curvilinear and has sloping roofs and it helped that I had a 3D eQuest model. I had to print some 170 pages (85 back to back) of LV-C Report and then input some 120 or so external walls and roofs into EnergyPro.
</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I was not at all happy doing that in a matter of 1 day (and night). </span></p>
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<p style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In case my email gives an impression of being positive in terms of Title 24 compliance and using eQuest then I would like emphasize - I would never ever use eQuest for Title 24 compliance.
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<p style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Best regards,</span></p>
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<p style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gaurav Mehta</span></p>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 1/24/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">Ellen Franconi</b> <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:EFranconi@archenergy.com" target="_blank">EFranconi@archenergy.com
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<div>We haven't had much success using the Title-24 wizard within eQUEST. We get errors that we can't track that prevent the proposed design from demonstrating compliance. We've gotten simple buildings to work but none of the more complex ones that we usually construct. While we have contacted the eQUEST developers, we have not received any support to aid us in trouble shooting the errors. As a result, we have had to build a second model in EnergyPro so that we could demonstrate compliance.
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<div>What has other people's experience been? Have other firms also had problems with the Title-24 wizard? If so, do you use eQUEST in conjunction with EnergyPro? Do you do all the design assistance analysis AND the compliance analysis in EnergyPro? And then for CA projects there may also be a need to do Savings-By-Design calculations? Are people running into the same problem there with eQUEST?
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<div>Thanks for any insights you can provide.</div>
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<div>Ellen</div>
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<div>Ellen Franconi, Ph.D., LEED AP</div>
<div>Energy Analysis Group Manager</div>
<div>Architectural Energy Corporation</div>
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<div>Boulder, CO 80301</div>
<div>tel. 303-444-4149</div>
<div>fax 303-444-4303</div>
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