<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Does it really matter that this end use is included if the Base Case vertical transportation energy use is the same as the Design Case?<DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 25/07/2007, at 11:06 PM, Eric Yang wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV class="Section1"><DIV><P class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:18.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><EM style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-style: italic; "><I style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-style: italic; "><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt;font-style:normal; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">It is from Table G-1 of the “User’s Manual of ASHRAE 90.1 2004”. The schedule has a different percentage for each business hour. I believe there have been several discussions on this topic, and you can search in this mailing list. Drury Crawley previously recommended a white paper from ACEEE about the actual energy consumptions of elevator usage. </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></I></EM><A href="http://www.aceee.org/buildings/coml_equp/elevators.pdf"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Times New Roman; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: underline; ">http://www.aceee.org/buildings/coml_equp/elevators.pdf</SPAN></A><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; "> If you use Energyplus, the schedule is already combined in its standard schedule library.</SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:18.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">Hope this helps.</SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><P class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:18.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">Eric</SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center; font-family: Times New Roman; "><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; text-align: center; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; text-align: center; "></SPAN><HR size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></SPAN></FONT></DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><B style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-weight: bold; "><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">From:</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></B><FONT size="2" face="Tahoma"><SPAN style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> BLDG-SIM@gard.com [<A href="mailto:BLDG-SIM@gard.com">mailto:BLDG-SIM@gard.com</A>] </SPAN><B style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style="font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of </SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; ">Zhen Tian</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style="font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:56 PM</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style="font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">To:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> <A href="mailto:BLDG-SIM@gard.com">BLDG-SIM@gard.com</A></SPAN><BR style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style="font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Cc:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> <A href="mailto:BLDG-SIM@gard.com">BLDG-SIM@gard.com</A></SPAN><BR style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><B style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style="font-weight:bold; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13.3333px; "> [BLDG-SIM] Energy use for elevators</SPAN></SPAN></FONT><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></P></DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; "> </SPAN></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">Eric,</SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; "> </SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">Thanks a lot for your reply.</SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; "> </SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">I have a further question. If we have the elevator power data, what appropriate schedule should we use to approximately to get the elevator annual energy use?</SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; "> </SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">I checked the ASHREAE Appendix G but cannot find appropriate schedule for elevators.</SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">I think the schedule of elevators are quite diffent from other schedules like occupancy scheule. One example, supposing people work from 8am to 6pm continuously, I guess that elevator working schedule should not be the same. Do you have any ideas what appropriate schedule should we use?</SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; "> </SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">Thanks a lot.</SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; "> </SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">Regards,</SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; "> </SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><DIV><P class="MsoNormal"><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">David </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><B style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-weight: bold; "><I style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-style: italic; font-weight: bold; "><SPAN style="font-weight:bold;font-style:italic; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-style: italic; font-weight: bold; ">Eric Yang <<A href="mailto:Eric.Yang@smithgroup.com">Eric.Yang@smithgroup.com</A>></SPAN></SPAN></I></B><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; "> wrote:</SPAN><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; "></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0pt 0pt 0pt 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><P class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><FONT size="3" face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">Yes, ASHRAE 90.1 Appendix G requires modeling elevator energy as long as it is designed in the project. You can come up a realistic schedule or stick to a standard schedule in Appendix G if necessary. </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">Eric</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">Smithgroup</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">-----Original Message-----</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">From: <A href="mailto:BLDG-SIM@gard.com">BLDG-SIM@gard.com</A> on behalf of Zhen Tian</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">Sent: Mon 7/23/2007 10:36 PM</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">To: <A href="mailto:BLDG-SIM@gard.com">BLDG-SIM@gard.com</A></SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">Subject: [BLDG-SIM] Energy use for elevators</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">Dear All,</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">I have seen some messages these days asking the energy use of elevators. But it seems that there is no very accurate way of modeling annual lift energy use.</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">If we need to simulate building energy use according to ASHRAE 90.1-2004 for LEED accrediation in e-QUEST, do we need to simulate elevator energy use or not? Is it a must do? Could somebody with experience with this topic give me some hints?</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">Thanks a lot in advance.</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">Regards,</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">David</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">---------------------------------</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">======================================================</SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">You received this e-mail because you are subscribed </SPAN><BR style="font-family: Times New Roman; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Times New Roman; ">to the <A href="mailto:BLDG-SIM@GARD.COM">BLDG-SIM@GARD.COM</A> mailing list. 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