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<DIV>HI BigGreen,</DIV>
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<DIV>RE: energy recovery on rest. kitchen hood exhaust</DIV>
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<DIV>Does anyone know of any real life projects where this was installed? I'm looking for problems, benefits, cost etc.</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks!</DIV>
<DIV>Debra Lombard</DIV>
<DIV>United Illuminating</DIV>
<DIV>Conservation Dept.</DIV>
<DIV>203-499-5912<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We do not have baselines for industries developed.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Right now it would be incumbent upon the project team to develop a reasonable baseline and then show savings.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>These would then be considered case-by-case.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=green size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: green; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">Marcus Sheffer</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=green size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: green; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">Energy Opportunities, Inc/a 7group Company</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">1200 E Camping <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 /><st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">Area Road</st1:Street>, <st1:City w:st="on">Wellsville</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">PA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">17365</st1:PostalCode></st1:address></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">717-292-2636, </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><A href="mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com"><FONT face=Arial size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">sheffer@sevengroup.com</SPAN></FONT></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Jon McHugh [mailto:Jon.McHugh@h-m-g.com] <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:28 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Marcus Sheffer; BLDG-SIM@gard.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">yjiang_mit@yahoo.com</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [BLDG-SIM] LEED energy saving calculations for Industrial Facility</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Marcus,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am just going to have to show my ignorance. If LEED is trying to encourage process efficiency is there then a baseline energy consumption by industry type that is the basis of the LEED comparison?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Until the baselines are developed, the current case is that only low energy intensity industries need apply for a LEED rating on their building.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BTW I agree with the concept of getting a credit relative to a benchmarked process energy consumption.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jon</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Marcus Sheffer [mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com] <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:19 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> BLDG-SIM@gard.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">yjiang_mit@yahoo.com</st1:PersonName>; Jon McHugh<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [BLDG-SIM] LEED energy saving calculations for Industrial Facility</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jon,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This is a common response we hear from the design community.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The USGBC EA TAG felt however that if we are trying to address energy usage then all energy usage should be addressed.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The pound of CO2 generated per kWh is the same whether it is the result of cooling or running a conveyance system.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>As we are all aware there certainly are energy saving opportunities for these loads.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It is possible to document savings for these loads however these are currently considered on a case-by-case basis.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>We hope to develop baselines for many of these process loads where possible so we can encourage both designers and <U>owners</U> to address all energy usage.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=green size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: green; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">Marcus Sheffer</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=green size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: green; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">Energy Opportunities, Inc/a 7group Company</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">1200 E Camping <st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">Area Road</st1:Street>, <st1:City w:st="on">Wellsville</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">PA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">17365</st1:PostalCode></st1:address></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">717-292-2636, </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><A href="mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com"><FONT face=Arial size=1><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">sheffer@sevengroup.com</SPAN></FONT></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Jon McHugh [mailto:Jon.McHugh@h-m-g.com] <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, April 12, 2007 5:52 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> sheffer@sevengroup.com; BLDG-SIM@gard.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">yjiang_mit@yahoo.com</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [BLDG-SIM] LEED energy saving calculations for Industrial Facility</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Marcus,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think a reasonable solution would be to include the heat loads from machinery in the simulation but not the energy required to operate the process load. This can be accomplished by putting the process loads on a separate "meter" in the simulation. The energy required to operate the process load is ignored by the other building meters for cooling and lighting, but the heat addition for the process loads are accounted for.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In this way, the LEED certification is for the building not the process.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Many of he process measures for machine shops: compressed air controls, fixing air leaks process, interlocking ventilation with welding or painting operations, HVLP paint spray guns etc. are not defined by the building designer. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> BLDG-SIM@gard.com [mailto:BLDG-SIM@gard.com] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Marcus Sheffer<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:11 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> BLDG-SIM@gard.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">yjiang_mit@yahoo.com</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [BLDG-SIM] LEED energy saving calculations for Industrial Facility</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Under LEED v2.2 you must include all of the process loads and equipment.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The post-processing you describe was used under LEED v2.1 and is not allowed under v2.2.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You are correct that the opportunity for savings will be less in this type of facility as a result.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The USGBC has recognized that this is an issue and is working on ways to address it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Any thoughts are welcome.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">Marcus Sheffer – Vice Chair USGBC EA TAG<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">Energy Opportunities, Inc/a 7group Company<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">1200 E Camping <st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">Area Road</st1:Street>, <st1:City w:st="on">Wellsville</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">PA</st1:State><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><st1:PostalCode w:st="on">17365</st1:PostalCode></st1:address><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">717-292-2636, sheffer@sevengroup.com<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-no-proof: yes">www.sevengroup.com<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-----Original Message-----<BR>From: BLDG-SIM@gard.com [mailto:BLDG-SIM@gard.com] On Behalf Of Yi Jiang<BR>Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:17 PM<BR>To: BLDG-SIM@gard.com<BR>Subject: [BLDG-SIM] LEED energy saving calculations for Industrial Facility<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We are working on a LEED NC 2.2 project to predict<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">energy savings with eQuest for a 200,000 sf machinery<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">workshop facility. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">One question we have is whether to include the process<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">loads in the workshop. We feel that it makes the most<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">sense to include the heat generated from the process<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">equipment as internal cooling load and treated by HVAC<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">systems. However, the electrical power specifically to<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">process equipment should not be included. For such a<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">machinery facility, the electrical power to process<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">equipment constitutes 50% of total electricity<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">consumption, and can significantly reduce the total<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">energy saving prediction by 10%. Has anyone has<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">experiences with such a industrial facility? Thanks<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoPlainText><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">--Yi<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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