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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We do not have baselines for industries
developed.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Right now it would be
incumbent upon the project team to develop a reasonable baseline and then show
savings.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>These would then be
considered case-by-case.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green;mso-no-proof:yes'>Marcus Sheffer</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green;mso-no-proof:yes'>Energy Opportunities,
Inc/a 7group Company</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy;
mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>1200 E Camping <st1:address
w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">Area Road</st1:Street>, <st1:City w:st="on">Wellsville</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">PA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">17365</st1:PostalCode></st1:address></span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>717-292-2636, </span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><a
href="mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com"><font size=1 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>sheffer@sevengroup.com</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><a
href="http://www.sevengroup.com">www.sevengroup.com</a></span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Jon McHugh
[mailto:Jon.McHugh@h-m-g.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 12, 2007
7:28 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Marcus Sheffer;
BLDG-SIM@gard.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">yjiang_mit@yahoo.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [BLDG-SIM] LEED
energy saving calculations for Industrial Facility</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Marcus,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I am just going to have to show my
ignorance. If LEED is trying to encourage process efficiency is
there then a baseline energy consumption by industry type that is the basis of
the LEED comparison?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Until the baselines are developed, the
current case is that only low energy intensity industries need apply for a LEED
rating on their building.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>BTW I agree with the concept of
getting a credit relative to a benchmarked process energy consumption.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Jon</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Marcus
Sheffer [mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 12, 2007
4:19 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> BLDG-SIM@gard.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">yjiang_mit@yahoo.com</st1:PersonName>;
Jon McHugh<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [BLDG-SIM] LEED
energy saving calculations for Industrial Facility</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jon,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This is a common response we hear from the
design community.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The USGBC EA TAG
felt however that if we are trying to address energy usage then all energy
usage should be addressed.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The
pound of CO2 generated per kWh is the same whether it is the result of cooling
or running a conveyance system.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>As
we are all aware there certainly are energy saving opportunities for these
loads.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It is possible to document savings for
these loads however these are currently considered on a case-by-case
basis.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>We hope to develop baselines
for many of these process loads where possible so we can encourage both
designers and <u>owners</u> to address all energy usage.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green;mso-no-proof:yes'>Marcus Sheffer</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=green face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:green;mso-no-proof:yes'>Energy Opportunities,
Inc/a 7group Company</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy;
mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>1200 E Camping <st1:address
w:st="on"><st1:Street w:st="on">Area Road</st1:Street>, <st1:City w:st="on">Wellsville</st1:City>,
<st1:State w:st="on">PA</st1:State> <st1:PostalCode w:st="on">17365</st1:PostalCode></st1:address></span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>717-292-2636, </span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><a
href="mailto:sheffer@sevengroup.com"><font size=1 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial'>sheffer@sevengroup.com</span></font></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
7.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><a
href="http://www.sevengroup.com">www.sevengroup.com</a></span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Jon McHugh
[mailto:Jon.McHugh@h-m-g.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 12, 2007
5:52 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> sheffer@sevengroup.com;
BLDG-SIM@gard.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">yjiang_mit@yahoo.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [BLDG-SIM] LEED
energy saving calculations for Industrial Facility</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Marcus,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I think a reasonable solution would
be to include the heat loads from machinery in the simulation but
not the energy required to operate the process load. This can
be accomplished by putting the process loads on a separate
"meter" in the simulation. The energy required to operate
the process load is ignored by the other building meters for cooling and
lighting, but the heat addition for the process loads are accounted for.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>In this way, the LEED
certification is for the building not the process.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Many of he process measures for machine
shops: compressed air controls, fixing air leaks process, interlocking
ventilation with welding or painting operations, HVLP paint spray guns
etc. are not defined by the building designer. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Sincerely,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 color=maroon face=Garamond><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Garamond;mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:maroon'><!-- Converted from text/rtf format -->Jon
McHugh, PE</span></font><font color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:
Arial;color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> BLDG-SIM@gard.com
[mailto:BLDG-SIM@gard.com] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Marcus
Sheffer<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 12, 2007
2:11 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> BLDG-SIM@gard.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">yjiang_mit@yahoo.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [BLDG-SIM] LEED energy
saving calculations for Industrial Facility</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Under LEED v2.2 you must include all of the process loads
and equipment.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The post-processing you describe was used under LEED v2.1
and is not allowed under v2.2.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>You are correct that the opportunity for savings will be
less in this type of facility as a result.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>The USGBC has recognized that this is an issue and is working on ways to
address it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Any thoughts are welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;mso-no-proof:yes'>Marcus Sheffer – Vice Chair USGBC EA
TAG<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;mso-no-proof:yes'>Energy Opportunities, Inc/a 7group Company<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;mso-no-proof:yes'>1200 E Camping <st1:address w:st="on"><st1:Street
w:st="on">Area Road</st1:Street>, <st1:City w:st="on">Wellsville</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">PA</st1:State><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><st1:PostalCode
w:st="on">17365</st1:PostalCode></st1:address><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;mso-no-proof:yes'>717-292-2636, sheffer@sevengroup.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;mso-no-proof:yes'>www.sevengroup.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;mso-no-proof:yes'><span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: BLDG-SIM@gard.com [mailto:BLDG-SIM@gard.com] On Behalf Of Yi Jiang<br>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:17 PM<br>
To: BLDG-SIM@gard.com<br>
Subject: [BLDG-SIM] LEED energy saving calculations for Industrial Facility<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>We are working on a LEED NC 2.2 project to predict<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>energy savings with eQuest for a 200,000 sf machinery<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>workshop facility. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>One question we have is whether to include the process<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>loads in the workshop. We feel that it makes the most<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>sense to include the heat generated from the process<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>equipment as internal cooling load and treated by HVAC<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>systems. However, the electrical power specifically to<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>process equipment should not be included. For such a<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>machinery facility, the electrical power to process<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>equipment constitutes 50% of total electricity<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>consumption, and can significantly reduce the total<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>energy saving prediction by 10%. Has anyone has<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>experiences with such a industrial facility? Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>--Yi<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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