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<DIV>As Peter stated, an induction unit can have a dedicated system supply source (for Trace it is OA; for eQUEST/DOE-2 you specify source...OA or rom a chosen AHU). The same is true with the fan coil unit. </DIV>
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<DIV>For DOE-2.2/eQUEST specifically, there are a few of snags that one runs into. One, the induction ratio doesn't really matter...play around and you'll see. Two, DOE-2 doesn't seem to account for the fan energy used to pull off the CFM that goes to the beams...I'd love for someone to prove I'm wrong. Three, I've had difficulties with loop temperatures and delta T for the loops...i.e. DOE-2 didn't seem to like the higher water temps going to the IU/FCU. I'd like to hear feedback if someone else got around this.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>Trace had some similar drawbacks...I'll work on recalling them.</DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Peter Simmonds <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 11, 2006 3:47 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Eric Yang'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [BLDG-SIM] Active Chilled Beam Model<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=979434422-11092006><FONT face=Arial color=#ff0000 size=2>OK so you are talking about an active beam and not a static beam, right. Then you need an outside air supply to be incorprated into the conditioning system, so I guess the induction unit will suffice, just check the minmum turndown ratio and check the induction rate to match the profile of the active beam.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Eric Yang [mailto:Eric.Yang@smithgroup.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 11, 2006 3:40 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Peter Simmonds<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [BLDG-SIM] Active Chilled Beam Model<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for your inputs. How about the air which is induced into the beams? For example, I supply only 105 CFM per beam, but I will have around 300 CFM total supply air. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=red size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Very simple. Model the chilled beam as a fan coil for cooling only and remove the associated fan power.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> BLDG-SIM@GARD.COM [mailto:BLDG-SIM@GARD.COM] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Eric Yang<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, September 11, 2006 2:34 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> BLDG-SIM@GARD.COM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [BLDG-SIM] Active Chilled Beam Model</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am seeking for any suggestions or input on the model of active chilled beam system. In my previous Trace model, it can not handle it very well by induction system. I am very curious to get inputs and helps from other folks. Thanks in advance.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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