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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Thanks for all the responses. I think
that the energy code is the only building code that is dependent on computer
software to show compliance when submitting construction documents. It is
too early for measurement & verification. I am not if the software
available today is ready for this. Are we allowed to use the program that
produces the most energy savings if these programs show different results? How
about energy savings by inadvertently entering the wrong input assuming that
nobody is checking the input in detail?</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>I have used the DOE2.1E program to show
energy savings for occupancy-based ventilation, occupancy-based lighting, under-floor
air distribution, light shelves etc. by making assumptions and adjustments
within the DOE2 program input. For example without light shelves the
light sensor is located 5’ and 10’ from the window for a perimeter
space depth of 15’ and with light shelves the same light sensor locations
apply to a 20’ perimeter depth. Occupancy based lighting is modeled
by reducing the prototype building lighting profile values by 20% based on
10CFR435. Occupancy based ventilation is modeled by applying an outdoor
air ventilation profile to the system that is the design OA fraction times the
occupancy profile from loads. Displacement ventilation is modeled by
adjusting the design space temperature – the supply air has to maintain
the summer and winter space temperatures up to 7’ above the floor and the
rest of the space volume up to the ceiling is not at design conditions. The
space temperature is the weighted average of the lower and upper volumes of the
space which means that DV saves energy with increasing ceiling heights. Energy
savings from PV panels is based on the total annual energy on the net PV area
times the percent energy converted as claimed by the PV manufacturer (9% to
15%). These are just some examples</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>LEED and Code authorities should describe standard
procedures for different types of energy saving options so that we are all on
the same playing field. Is there an acceptable procedure for showing
energy cost savings using steam-turbine centrifugal chillers for the ECB
method?</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Varkie Thomas</span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> postman@gard.com
[mailto:postman@gard.com] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>stvgates@pacbell.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Friday, October
01, 2004</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>3:25 PM</span></font><font size=2
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> BLDG-SIM@GARD.COM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [BLDG-SIM] </span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Steam-Turbine
Drive</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> Centrigugal LiquidChillers</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I want to correct some of the
information I just put out there regarding steam-turbine driven chillers.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>At 150 psig, the steam temperature
is about 350F, which corresponds to a maximum thermodynamic turbine efficiency
of about 30%; mechanical efficiency would lower this. And the steam
turbines used in chillers have better unloading characteristics than the
turbines I looked at a long time ago. The net effect is that a
steam-turbine chiller can have about the same full load efficiency as a 2-stage
absorption chiller. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>A useful article can be found at <a
href="http://www.york.com/products/esg/YorkEngDocs/964.pdf">http://www.york.com/products/esg/YorkEngDocs/964.pdf</a></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Friday, October
01, 2004</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>8:51 AM</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [BLDG-SIM] </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Steam-Turbine
Drive</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> Centrigugal LiquidChillers</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Varkie,</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>From my experience in modeling
similar plant combinations in NYC and using Con-Ed steam and electric
rates you mentioned, for a typical office building you will see a benefit in
using steam-turbine chillers (either option 2 and 3, depending on your electrical
load factor and refrigeration full load hours). Of course, assuming that in all
the cases you use reasonably efficient refrigeration machines.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Here is how you do it in Doe2.1:</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>INPUT PLANT..</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>ELEC-DRIVE=PLANT-EQUIPMENT</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> TYPE=HERM-CENT-CHLR</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> SIZE=24</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> INSTALLED-NUMBER=1</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> MAX-NUMBER-AVAIL=1 ..</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>STEAM-CHILLER =
PLANT-EQUIPMENT</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>TYPE = ABSOR2-CHLR</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>SIZE = 24</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>MAX-NUMBER-AVAIL=1 ..</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>..</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>EQUIPMENT-QUAD</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>ABSOR2-CAP-FT=CCAPT3</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>ABSOR2-HIR-FT=EIRT3</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>ABSOR2-HIR-FPLR=EIRPLR3</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>..</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Then in PLANT PARAMETRS you
specify </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hope this helps.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Please let me know if you have
further questions</span></font></p>
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size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Friday, October
01, 2004</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [BLDG-SIM] </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Steam-Turbine
Drive</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> Centrigugal LiquidChillers</span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Steve:</span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>I received
other responses suggesting the same thing:</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>1. Use 2 stage absorption chiller
with HIR of the turbine</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>2. Assign PLR curves of centrifugal
chiller to corresponding curves of absorption machine.</span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>I assume this
will produce reasonably accurate steam consumption of the steam-turbine.
I need a sample DOE2 Plant “inp” or “bdl”
statements showing how to do this. The chillers in question are </span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'>York</span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'> model YST. </span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'>York</span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:
navy'> will provide the performance data. The location is NYC and the
utility rates are ConEd Steam Service Classification 2 (lower rates in summer)
and ConEd Electric Service Classification 9 Rate II - General Large Time of Use
</span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'><a
href="http://q050-www5.coned.com/es/tariffs/ps.asp?URL=tariffs.htm&s=tariffs">http://q050-www5.coned.com/es/tariffs/ps.asp?URL=tariffs.htm&s=tariffs</a></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=navy
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Since there
are several buildings in NYC that use a hybrid plant of steam-turbine and
electric-motor drive chillers, I assume studies have already been done
justifying this combination. So far I have found the ASHRAE Sept 2003
article: Advances in Steam Cooling by Ian Spanswick</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=navy
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>I would like
to compare the following alternative options: (1) two 2000-ton electric-drive
chillers, (2) two 2000-ton steam-drive chillers and (3) one 2000-ton
electric-drive chiller and one 2000-ton steam-drive chiller sequenced to
“start first” based on ConEd year-round steam and electric
rates. This would be for (A) a building that operates 24 hours per day
such as a hospital, and (B) an office building that operates 7 AM – 6 PM,
Mon-Fri. I would also like to see a life cycle cost analysis of the
alternative options. Have such studies been done for buildings located in
cities with district steam (NYC, </span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'>Boston</span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'>, </span></font><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'>Philadelphia</span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'>, </span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'>Minneapolis</span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'>)?</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=navy
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>The Trane
TRACE700 program (which we also use in this office along with Carrier’s
HAP program) models steam-turbine chillers. However the building in
question has already been modeled in detail with DOE2.1E using electric
chillers. I prefer to use DOE2.1E directly (we also have eQUEST and
EnergyPro in the office) for LEED certification and to show Code
compliance. The building description language (bdl) provides flexibility
and it can be read like a specification for others to review. Does this
program have a future? How many A-E design firms are using EnergyPlus on
large commercial building projects?</span></font></p>
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Varkie Thomas</span></font></p>
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Thursday,
September 30, 2004</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> BLDG-SIM@GARD.COM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [BLDG-SIM] </span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Steam-Turbine
Drive</span></font><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'> Centrigugal Liquid Chillers</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>You would need to model it as an
absorption chiller. The chiller's heat input ratio and performance curves
would need to reflect the combination of the steam turbine and the chiller
compressor.</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thursday,
September 30, 2004</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [BLDG-SIM] </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Steam-Turbine
Drive</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'> Centrigugal Liquid Chillers</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 color=navy
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>Has anyone
modeled steam turbine drive centrifugal chillers with DOE2.1E? Is it
possible to add this equipment to DOE2, given the part load performance data?</span></font></p>
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