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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear Rob</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I very much appreciate your answer as
well as those of others on double skin buildings. I understand that you more or
less do agree that there is a problem with double skin buildings in climates in
which cooling is more important than heating. If someone does not agree with
this statement, I would very much appreciate it if he responds.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I have no problem with understanding
that natural ventilation is a good policy - and this can be easily simulated in
DOE2.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My problem is when I use double skin buildings with
Natural ventilation - in that case the outside velocity is
relevant.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I would like once more to repeat that
in many places in teh Mediterranean that during teh 90ies there was an explosion
of air conditioning, people insist in having open windows even when the air
conditioning functions (I even watched a fist fight over that but of
course this is irrelevant to the list)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=rob.lord@lincolnescott.com
href="mailto:rob.lord@lincolnescott.com">Rob Lord</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=cvrhasd@techunix.technion.ac.il
href="mailto:cvrhasd@techunix.technion.ac.il">cvrhasd@techunix.technion.ac.il</A>
; <A title=bldg-sim@gard.com
href="mailto:bldg-sim@gard.com">bldg-sim@gard.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 17, 2004 12:24
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [bldg-sim] Double Skin
Buildings</DIV>
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my part of Australia, we have similar climate patterns. Double skin buildings
rarely are built because of energy reasons except in our cooler climates.
However, have you tried simulating a mixed mode building?
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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architect will then have the openable windows and the occupant can choose to
close them whenever the climate outside is not
favourable.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Swis721 BT'; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">As
a basis of simulation, I would organise the windows to open (and the AC to
stop) whenever the external conditions are between 18C and 25C. Organise the
windows to close when the average hourly wind speed is above 5m/s or when the
RH is approaching 90%. There are also security and acoustic issues with
opening windows but hey, life wasn’t meant to be
easy.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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Brisbane climate is perhaps closest to that of Tel Aviv, it is a little more
humid perhaps. Our simulations portray 4-5 months of the year can easily
operate on natural ventilation mode.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Samuel
Hassid [mailto:cvrhasd@techunix.technion.ac.il]<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, 17 August 2004 2:18
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
bldg-sim@gard.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
[bldg-sim] Double Skin Buildings</SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> I have
simulated a double skin building using DOE2.1.E.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> My
conclusion for the climate of Israel - in which the summer problems are far
more important than the winter ones - was that</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">whatever advanrage
one has during the winter is balanced by higher energy consumption during the
summer period.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> The
results of my simulation are very much resented by the architect who
asked for it. In particular, he points out to something that cannot be put
into simulation codes - that many people in air-conditioned buildings in
mediterranean countries resent very much having to stay with closed
windows.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> I was
wondering if someone has any comments on what
i wrinting. Thanks S.
Hassid</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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