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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046432316-14062004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>To the building sim community:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046432316-14062004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046432316-14062004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I am in agreement with Chris that the PE license is a more
rigorous certification than the CEM. I let my CEM lapse after getting a PE
in Mechanical Engineering. However, there are many people in this field
who are in the energy efficiency field who are not engineers and thus will never
obtain a PE. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046432316-14062004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046432316-14062004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Frankly there are many positions in the energy efficiency
field that don't require a PE license. As an example, a good lighting
designer is often more qualified than a PE to suggest an appropriate lighting
upgrade that improves visibility and energy efficiency.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046432316-14062004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046432316-14062004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The CEM test helps AEE sell the CEM course which gives
people a good rudimentary "lay of the land" of the big issues associated with
energy efficiency. For some people this course will be too basic but for
many others, it is a good introduction to the field.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046432316-14062004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046432316-14062004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>This course is worthwhile but does not replace an
engineering degree and work experience or a lighting design education and work
experience. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046432316-14062004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046432316-14062004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The bottom line is that when hiring an energy professional
one has to look at their relevant experience and if they are going to be doing a
lot of work or recommending a large expenditure, it would be worthwhile to talk
to their previous clients.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046432316-14062004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=046432316-14062004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Jon McHugh, PE, LC</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> postman@gard.com [mailto:postman@gard.com]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Chris Halpin<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 14, 2004 8:14
AM<BR><B>To:</B> BLDG-SIM@gard.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> [BLDG-SIM] Certified
Energy Engineer or Professional<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I agree with Tom. I am
a PE, a Certified Energy Procurement Professional through the AEE, and a LEED
accredited professional by the US Green Building Council. I have never pursued
the CEM because I felt its value was not very high. As Tom said, there are CEMs
out there with very little knowledge of real world energy efficiency practices.
<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In my opinion the PE registration
has much greater value, as it requires rigorous testing and minimum experience
criteria to achieve registration. <SPAN class=GramE>Although there PEs out there
who are not particularly talented engineers, the credibility of a PE is greater
than that of a CEM in the energy business.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hope this is helpful.
If you are new to the business, I encourage you to pursue the CEM anyway, as it
can not hurt to have it. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Chris
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">Christopher F. Halpin,
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">P.E., LEED,
C.E.P.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">President<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">Celtic Energy,
Inc.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">202 Lancaster
Road<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">Glastonbury, CT
06033-5100<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">(860)
633-4914<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">(860) 633-3056
fax<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; mso-no-proof: yes">(860) 328-0535
mobile</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; mso-no-proof: yes"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><A
href="mailto:chris@celticenergy.com">chris@celticenergy.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"><A
href="http://www.celticenergy.com">www.celticenergy.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
postman@gard.com [mailto:postman@gard.com] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ahmed Fraij<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, June 14, 2004 5:14
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
BLDG-SIM@gard.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
[BLDG-SIM] Certified Energy Engineer or Professional</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Dear
All,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> Do you know which
organizations and/or associations can give certification for energy engineers or
professionals? for instance: certified energy engineer or energy accredited
professional particularly for engineers who work in energy management &
conservation fields.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Awaiting your
reply<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Thanks & Best
Regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ahmad
Fraij<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV>
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