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<P>Hi all</P>
<P>i'm a stundent in civil engeniering in architecture in belgium, </P>
<P>and i'm making a final work to get my graduate on this question. What progams would be best for students and even professionel architects to use in the early stages of the creation of a project. Im currently gathering all the possible programs on the market that might come in handy, and i'll test them all (the freeware and trial versions this is, im not sponsered and i dont have the money of michael jackson). I might at the end, give u all a link to the site where i'll post my results. maybe some people would be interested in what my findings are.</P>
<P>(everyone who knows some programs that i might be interested in, u can always mail me with the name, and eventually url or a place where i can find information about it.)</P>
<P>i'm thinking of sending an email with all the programs i have for the moment to all of u, and anyone who wants to help a student out, by finding more programs would be very appreciated.</P>
<P>greats from maybe a future colegue<BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: "Monjur M Mourshed" <MONJUR@ECAAD.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: monjur@ecaad.com
<DIV></DIV>>To: <BLDG-SIM@GARD.COM>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: [BLDG-SIM] 3D Modeling + Energy Analysis
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:05:56 -0000
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Mike
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I agree with your point that energy conservation should begin with
<DIV></DIV>>Architects but I have reservation about how to implement it, given the
<DIV></DIV>>current circumstances. Energy simulation is a complex task oriented
<DIV></DIV>>process. It needs a lot of parameters to be specified to kick off and
<DIV></DIV>>that might not be available when a designer/ Architect starts the
<DIV></DIV>>design.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Another point to note is the lack of integrated UI (User Interface) - be
<DIV></DIV>>it graphical or textual. Most of the researches in Energy Simulation /
<DIV></DIV>>Conservation are aimed at developing stand-alone utility or piece of
<DIV></DIV>>software to do certain job. In my opinion, the emphasis should be placed
<DIV></DIV>>on the integration with the design process and final outcome or product.
<DIV></DIV>>For example, I want to kick off Energy Simulation module from within the
<DIV></DIV>>CAD software I am working with, without specifying further parameters
<DIV></DIV>>and I want to check for energy consumption after every change I made to
<DIV></DIV>>the layout or component. I don't want to open a different window or
<DIV></DIV>>software and spend a week to define and run the simulation. You might as
<DIV></DIV>>well say IFC or STEP is there to help. To be honest these specifications
<DIV></DIV>>seem just prototypes to me, I have reservations about them being used in
<DIV></DIV>>real life situations - not in next 3/5 years at least.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>It is wisely said; know your target audience before you even think to
<DIV></DIV>>code your software. Knowingly or unknowingly, Most of the software/
<DIV></DIV>>Interfaces are targeted towards HVAC Engineers, not architects. There's
<DIV></DIV>>a fundamental difference in the think/ work process of an architect with
<DIV></DIV>>Engineers. I don't think architects are too comfortable with what's
<DIV></DIV>>available out there, commercially or research wise. This is the only
<DIV></DIV>>reason for not using them in profession. Nobody has problems with
<DIV></DIV>>learning something new, if it increases the quality of the product or
<DIV></DIV>>increases efficiency of the process.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Regards,
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Monjur Mourshed
<DIV></DIV>>IRUSE, Civil Engineering, UCC. Ireland
<DIV></DIV>>http://www.ecaad.com/monjur
<DIV></DIV>>http://www.ucc.ie/iruse/monjur
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>-----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>>From: postman@gard.com [mailto:postman@gard.com] On Behalf Of Mike
<DIV></DIV>>Roberts
<DIV></DIV>>Sent: 12 February 2003 16:06
<DIV></DIV>>To: BLDG-SIM@gard.com
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: [BLDG-SIM] 3D Modeling + Energy Analysis
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Warren,
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I'm sure you have seen the discussion of eQUEST over the last few days.
<DIV></DIV>>I consider it and it's DOE-2.2 calculation engine the best available for
<DIV></DIV>>serious production energy simulation. My business is energy simulation
<DIV></DIV>>for other engineers and architects, and we do probably 90 percent of our
<DIV></DIV>>work with eQUEST/DOE-2.2. It can even do rudimentary modeling, though
<DIV></DIV>>probably not what you would want to present to a client. eQUEST's
<DIV></DIV>>wizard makes preliminary analysis very quick and easy. You can then
<DIV></DIV>>take that model as far as you want with the Detailed Edit Mode.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>On the other hand, any good simulation program will have a significant
<DIV></DIV>>learning curve. I believe eQUEST to have the best user interface
<DIV></DIV>>available, but the program is not trivial to learn and use properly. I
<DIV></DIV>>have worked with Marlin Addison on presenting two day eQUEST training
<DIV></DIV>>seminars to engineers and architects. Normally, after a seminar, about
<DIV></DIV>>10 percent of the participants will contact me with questions,
<DIV></DIV>>indicating to me that they are actually using the program. While I have
<DIV></DIV>>felt for a long time that energy conservation should start with the
<DIV></DIV>>architect, few of the seminar participants are architects and I cannot
<DIV></DIV>>remember a single architect with a follow up question.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I would highly recommend that whatever program makes your short list,
<DIV></DIV>>you attend a training seminar to determine if it is practical for you to
<DIV></DIV>>actually use the program. I would be happy to talk or email further
<DIV></DIV>>about this subject.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Mike Roberts
<DIV></DIV>>816-942-8121
<DIV></DIV>>-----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>>From: postman@gard.com [mailto:postman@gard.com]On Behalf Of Warren A.
<DIV></DIV>>Campbell
<DIV></DIV>>Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:55 AM
<DIV></DIV>>To: BLDG-SIM@gard.com
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: [BLDG-SIM] 3D Modeling + Energy Analysis
<DIV></DIV>>Hello All:
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I have a request. I am an architect in North Carolina, and it is my job
<DIV></DIV>>to choose the next generation of software that my office will use in the
<DIV></DIV>>production of construction documents. On the one hand, I am considering
<DIV></DIV>>a 3D modeling program, such as Revit, in order to take advantage of both
<DIV></DIV>>the parametric and rendering capabilities. However, I also have a strong
<DIV></DIV>>interest in promoting high performance design. Therefore, I was hoping
<DIV></DIV>>there exists a program that can fluidly incorporate energy analysis into
<DIV></DIV>>the modeling software. Maybe there is even something on the horizon.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Any suggestions?
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Warren A. Campbell, RA
<DIV></DIV>>Millennium 3 Design Group
<DIV></DIV>>1313 North Tryon Street
<DIV></DIV>>Charlotte, NC 28206
<DIV></DIV>>(704) 333-1965.Ext 22 phone
<DIV></DIV>>(704) 376-7122 fax
<DIV></DIV>>wcampbell@m3dg.com
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
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