[Bldg-sim] Psychometric chart
David Eldridge
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Wed Oct 4 11:28:10 PDT 2017
Funny story - several people on this list go to ASHRAE HQ and we are going to develop an energy modeling certification that we now know as BEMP.
We show up with the test development consultant who is a psychometrician - the profession of making tests for people.
There was a lot of excitement and mutual confusion until it was clarified that we the committee have an “r” in our lingo which makes it completely a different field.
So at least in a few cases for ASHRAE Certification exams there is an overlap between psychometrics and psychrometrics!
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On Oct 4, 2017, at 1:05 PM, Nathan Brown via Bldg-sim <bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>> wrote:
Hi All —
Even as a native English speaker, it took me several trips to Google to remember that the correct word is “psychrometric” rather than “psychometric” (and lord knows that autocorrect is not helping, even as I type this email). If it’s helpful for others who are explaining the difference, I did some wikipedia-ing: it’s “psychro" because of the Greek word for cold - psuchron. So psychrometric literally means something like "measurement of cold”. I guess psychometric would be “measurement of the mind” - I lecture occasionally, and I like the idea of showing the difference with humor. Does anyone have any other candidates for what a “psychometric chart” might be?
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On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:02 AM, Bishop, Bill via Bldg-sim <bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>> wrote:
I like this psychometric chart. It shows the rankings of all the songs on the classic Talking Heads: 77 album, with the song Psycho Killer<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KRowp6_1fg> being ranked highest by users of besteveralbums.com<https://www.besteveralbums.com/thechart.php?a=1277#thumb>.
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Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Query: Plotting Data on Psychometric chart
The chart is on a chart sheet but you can’t revise the chart to add additional series.
PS. What is the difference between “psychometric” and “psychrometric”? This unadaptable psychrometric chart is driving me psycho!
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Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Query: Plotting Data on Psychometric chart
Mr. Khalid,
The file was not working properly for me, but I see that there are two data series; one for room temperature/humidity and another for outdoor temperature/humidity. It seems that you can just add more data series.
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Waqas Khalid <waqaskhalid03 at gmail.com<mailto:waqaskhalid03 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks Jim Dirkes for comment.
I understand, you mean like we just add data series in excel graph plots but the excel psychometric chart file shared with us by Dr. Juan which I am using is different one. We just can key-in data and points are displayed in psycometric chart in file but we cannot edit the chart nor the plotted points in it. I am sharing again his file for reference.
Regards,
Waqas Khalid,
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On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Jim Dirkes <jim at buildingperformanceteam.com<mailto:jim at buildingperformanceteam.com>> wrote:
Since Excel can easily use different colors for different data sets, consider how to display two data sets instead of a single set with data for multiple buildings
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Waqas Khalid via Bldg-sim <bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>> wrote:
Hi Bill,
I am sorry for responding late.Thanks to all for their response. I am using template shared by Dr. Juan-Carlos Baltazar for plotting my data. This excel based sheet is simple and easy to plot the data and having ASHRAE Standard 55 comfort zone identified in it.The problem in it that it is in Bristish unit system and we cannot change the colour of plot to differentiate the data of different buildings.
Thanks!
Regards,
Waqas Khalid,
Doctoral Student,
iKohza Wind Engineering for {Urban, Man-made, Artificial} Environment,
Malaysia-Japan International Institute of Technology (MJIIT),
Universiti Teknologi Malaysia-Kaula Lumpur Campus (UTM-KL),
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On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 9:14 PM, Bishop, Bill <bbishop at pathfinder-ea.com<mailto:bbishop at pathfinder-ea.com>> wrote:
Hi Waqas,
Please share what you learn with the rest of the forum. Let us know what worked and how it was helpful in your research.
Thanks,
~Bill
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Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Query: Plotting Data on Psychometric chart
Dear All,
I am really grateful to you all for prompt and overwhelming response and guidance on my query.
Thanks and stay blessed!
Regards,
Waqas Khalid,
Doctoral Student,
iKohza Wind Engineering for {Urban, Man-made, Artificial} Environment,
Malaysia-Japan International Institute of Technology (MJIIT),
Universiti Teknologi Malaysia-Kaula Lumpur Campus (UTM-KL),
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On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 5:45 AM, Juan-Carlos Baltazar <jbaltazar at arch.tamu.edu<mailto:jbaltazar at arch.tamu.edu>> wrote:
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Subject: RE: [Bldg-sim] Query: Plotting Data on Psychometric chart
If there is something temporary and simple, hope my chart can help (works well with excel 2013 and 2010)
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Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Query: Plotting Data on Psychometric chart
Hi,
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On Sep 27, 2017 12:28 PM, "Waqas Khalid via Bldg-sim" <bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org<mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>> wrote:
Hi Everyone!
Hope you are doing good. I have to plot some indoor environment data of DBT/Operative temperature, RH, Humidity ratio on psychometric chart to check the compliance of ASHRAE Standard 55 2013 in that building. The sample size is more than 550 which cannot be plotted manually actually.
Can anybody suggest me how to do it electronically like through Engineering Equation Solver (EES) or any other software in convenient manner? If possible can anybody share the student version of EES?
I will be really grateful to you for guidance and or sharing the resource
Thanks!
Regards,
Waqas Khalid,
Doctoral Student,
iKohza Wind Engineering for {Urban, Man-made, Artificial} Environment,
Malaysia-Japan International Institute of Technology (MJIIT),
Universiti Teknologi Malaysia-Kaula Lumpur Campus (UTM-KL),
Jalan Sultan Yahya Petra/Semarak,
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