[Bldg-sim] Recommended reading on comparison of models to
Jeremiah Crossett
jcrossett at phasechange.com
Fri Jun 28 09:01:32 PDT 2013
actual?
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Sorry John R Ross III PE, your offer was very kind and I should have
responded to you directly. Your 1987 house was likely a pioneer and the
info it provided very valuable. Again, thanks anyways on the NDA and
tele-meeting. Got Ta watch out for what you sign these days.
Sent from my Windows Phone
From: John R Ross III PE
Sent: 6/28/2013 8:25 AM
To: bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org; Jeremiah Crossett
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Recommended reading on comparison of models to
actual?
Hi Jeremiah;
I think you misunderstood my offer of co-operation.
I did NOT offer you a FORTRAN IV model of the energy use of a building
dating from 1977 or 1980. I had both at one time. The 1980 model simply
crushed a few thousand combinations of insulation, finance rates, etc.
I DID offer Phase Change Energy Solutions and Vesture Corporation in
Ashboro NC a trial Proof of Concept installation site with an=20
established energy
performance over 3 different heat pump installations, with and without=20
active thermal
solar on the roof running, asymmetric soffits, among other features in=20
Washington DC's
challenging 4000 degree day heating season and humid 2000 degree day=20
cooling season..
That offer has expired.
"modeling has came a long way since 1897! "
Yes it has. that would make me, with BSME at age 20 (didn't have as=20
much content back then)
about 136 years old now. On the factual side you will find evidence of=20
extremely sophisticated
solar pond engineering in early Precolumbian South America in=20
Ecuador?? Peru?? the Solar
ponds keep the growing vegetables relatively warm at night.......... =20
The argument centers on
how they came up with the design without Western math tools - trig, =20
calculus......
I do not have much time for NDA's and tele-meetings... thanks anyway
You never replied to me directly at all; Since my misunderstood offer.
If you don't have any time for NDA's , where does that leave you in
Todays (started March 15, 2013) First-to-File Patent Law Landscape ???
versus the old first to invent system..........
By the way guys on the list "Pre -- Columbian" as used here means=20
before Christopher Columbus;
nothing else, and it was not in the spelling checker. (LOL)
OK Back to Work It's 1130am early lunch is gone.........
bye
On 6/27/2013 5:32 PM, Jeremiah Crossett wrote:
> Hi Jeremiah,
>
> Would you mind sharing the resources people have shared with you, namely:
> Tianzhen, thanks for the link.
> Zheng, thanks for the recommended reading.
> Matt, thanks for the link.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Diego
> Doctoral Candidate
> Harvard University
>
> Diego,
> I thought the responses that I got where posted to the list. For you=20
> and others reference I post all of the responses I got:
>
> 1. Try green building advisor
>
>
> (My response to this) I read this=20
> http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/musings/energy-modeling-is=
n-t-very-accurate a=20
> while ago and did not think much of the way they talked badly about=20
> modeling, and would prefer information from actual modelers, as I am=20
> using this to support my actual modeling.. To me their article seems=20
> like it is downplaying the benefits of modeling, written by someone=20
> who is reading about modeling and writing an article=20
> rather than actively doing it. It seems like taking advice about how=20
> to design a building from a contractor, they understand a bit, but=20
> really it is the architect and engineer that know what they are doing,=20
> the contractor is just the one who does it, or possibly more like=20
> getting news from a friend rather than the source.
>
> I am looking for personal experience or peer reviewed scientific=20
> papers. If anyone can help?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> 2. Hi;
>
> I've got a custom house that started as an ASME design project. It=20
> was built in 1986.
> We moved in January 1987. I have extensive records of energy used,=20
> features active
> in a particular month...... would you be interested in a technology=20
> demonstrator in the
> Washington DC metro area ??
>
> How about a Non Disclosure Agreement and a tele-meeting ??
>
> JRR
>
> (My response) I am not so interisted in this due to the age of the=20
> model and complexity of the response.., modeling has came a long way=20
> since 1897! and I do not have much time for NDA's and tele-meetings...=20
> thanks anyway
>
> 3. *Jeremiah,*
>
> **
>
> *I think you'll find a room full of experts and lots of advice on this=20
> at the upcoming SPC 209 Meeting at ASHRAE in Denver. I've enclosed a=20
> copy of the agenda, as well as the Chair's email, Jason Glazer. Part=20
> of the work for 209 is assembling the list you are looking for.*
>
> **
>
> *Also, you'll find useful information in the new Guideline 14, and in=20
> the Energy Management Handbook, by Doty and Turner.www.ibpsa.org=20
> <http://www.ibpsa.org/> and the www.esl.tamu.edu=20
> <http://www.esl.tamu.edu/> are also good places to check as well.*
>
> **
>
> *Jeff*
>
> **
>
> *++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++*
>
> *AGENDA*
>
> *ASHRAE SPC209 Energy Simulation Aided Design*
>
> Monday, June 24, 2013
>
> 2:15-6:15p Governor's Square 12 (plaza building, concourse level)
>
> Sheraton Denver Downtown -
>
> Denver Colorado
>
> 1.*CALL TO ORDER*
>
> 1.1.Roll Call/Quorum Determination
>
> 1.2.Introduction of Members and Guests
>
> 1.3.Announcements
>
> 2.*AGENDA REVIEW*
>
> 3.*MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING - Nelson*
>
> 4.*LIAISON REPORTS -- Anyone present*
>
> 5.*SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS*
>
> 5.1.Predesign Subcommittee - Sheffer
>
> 5.2.Conceptual design/Schematic design - Katzenberger
>
> 5.3.Design development/Construction documents -- Baker
>
> 5.4.Construction/Commissioning/As-Built/Operations - Reddy
>
> 5.5.Resources/References/Definitions Subcommittee - DeBaillie
>
> 6.*OLD BUSINESS*
>
> 7.*NEW BUSINESS*
>
> 8.*NEXT MEETING:*//
>
> /8.1./*Standards writing tutorial*//
>
> /8.2./*Subcommittee calls*//
>
> /8.3./*Full committee calls*//
>
> 9.*ADJOURN*
>
> *//*
>
> */Subcommittee Meeting Times and Locations: (all in plaza building,=20
> concourse level)/*
>
> /SPC 209 Predesign Subcommittee - Sunday 6:00-10:00p Plaza Court 3/
>
> /SPC 209 Design development/Construction documents - Sunday 6:00-10:0p=20
> Plaza Court 6/
>
> /SPC 209 Construction/Commissioning/As-Built/Operations - Sunday=20
> 6:00-10:00p Plaza Court 1/
>
> /SPC 209 Resources/References/Definitions Subcommittee- Monday=20
> 8:00a-Noon Plaza Court 1/
>
> /SPC 209 Conceptual design/Schematic design -Monday 8:00a-Noon Plaza=20
> Court 7/
>
> *//*
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
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> Jeff S. Haberl, Ph.D.,P.E., FASHRAE.............. jhaberl at tamu.edu=20
> <mailto:jhaberl at tamu.edu>
>
> Professor............................................................Offi=
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> Ph: 979-845-6507
>
> Department of Architecture.............................Lab Ph:979-845-606=
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>
> Energy Systems Laboratory.............................FAX: 979-862-2457
>
> Texas A&M University.....................................77843-3581
>
> College Station, Texas, USA,=20
> 77843..................URL:www.esl.tamu.edu <http://www.esl.tamu.edu/>
>
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>
>
> (my response) sorry Could not make it this year:(
>
> 4. Jeremiah,
>
> That is an important topic among researchers and practitioners in the=20
> simulation community for the last 20-30 years.
>
> I made a presentation on this topic in a public EETD/LBNL seminar, A=20
> closer look at the energy performance of buildings: simulated vs.=20
> measured. Slides are available in PDF at=20
> http://eetd.lbl.gov/news/events/2011/03/03/a-closer-look-at-the-energy-pe=
rformance-of-buildings-simulated-vs-measured
>
> I have some journal articles discussing related topics. You can find=20
> them by using the Google Scholar.
>
> Tianzhen
>
> (my response) Tianzhen, thanks for the link. This is good work, well=20
> done and very much what I was looking for.
>
> 5. Jeremiah,
>
> In the last couple of years, we did a couple of cases with DoD=20
> buildings and you can check the following papers:
>
> 1.O'Neill, Z.D. and B. Eisenhower. 2013. Leveraging the Analysis of=20
> Parametric Uncertainty for Building Energy Model Calibration. Building=20
> Simulation: An International Journal. DOI 10.1007/s12273-013-0125-8.
>
> 2.O'Neill, Z. D., B. Eisenhower, V. Fonoberov and T. Bailey. 2012.=20
> Calibration of a Building Energy Model Considering Parametric=20
> Uncertainty. ASHRAE Transactions, 118(2). ASHRAE Annual Meeting. San=20
> Antonio, TX. Jun 23--27, 2012.
>
> 3.O'Neill, Z. D., B. Eisenhower, S. Yuan, T. Bailey, S. Narayanan and=20
> V. Fonoberov.2011. Modeling and Calibration of Energy Models for a DoD=20
> Building. ASHRAE Transactions, 117(2): 358-365. ASHRAE Annual Meeting.=20
> Montreal, Qu=C3=A9bec, Canada. June 25--29, 2011.
>
> Zheng
>
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>
> Zheng O'Neill, PhD, PE
>
> Department of Mechanical Engineering
>
> The University of Alabama
>
> Box 870276
>
> Tuscaloosa, AL 35487-0276 USA
>
>
> (My response) Zheng, thanks for the info, I may purchase one of these=20
> papers, looks like very good work.
>
>
> 6. Hi Jeremiah,
>
>
> This might be too simplistic for what you're trying to do, and it's=20
> more "hands on" as opposed to "peer-reviewed research" but for some=20
> quick checks here's what I do:
>
> * Compare to CBECS. I use www.buildingbenchmarks.com=20
> <http://www.buildingbenchmarks.com/>. It's a quick and free website. =20
> You enter basic info (zip code, square footage range, primary building=20
> activity, and range of years the building was completed) and it pulls=20
> the relevant info from CBECS for you. It gives you a simple breakdown=20
> of average annual electric and gas usage by activity (not monthly,=20
> unfortunately). So within a few seconds you can see how your model=20
> compares.
>
> * For existing buildings with utility bills available, I run a=20
> baseline energy report per ASHRAE 14. I use www.noesisenergy.com=20
> <http://www.noesisenergy.com/>, another free tool. I enter in 12+=20
> months of utility bills and it will generate weather-normalized=20
> baseline reports, complete with the regression analysis equations. =20
> They use heating and cooling degree days from the closest weather=20
> station to your site (based on the calculated balance point=20
> temperatures for heating or cooling), plus utility billing days for=20
> each month. They do NOT factor in other variables like occupancy or=20
> production. You can compare actual, adjusted baseline, and typical=20
> consumption for each month, for each utility. So if you're using TMY2=20
> or TMY3 weather data in your model, you can see how it compares to the=20
> typical monthly consumption from the baseline report. I use this as a=20
> guide for calibration.
>
> I've had a discussion with William Ball at Noesis about using their=20
> tools to better support energy modelers, and encouraged him to check=20
> out IBPSA.
>
> Again, this might be missing the point of your request, and a little=20
> too simplistic, so I didn't want to post it to the entire Bldg Sim=20
> listserv....
>
> Best of luck in your efforts and please let me know what you find!
>
> Matt Huffman, LEED AP
> Manager, Energy Services
> Murphy & Miller, Inc.
>
> (My response) Matt, these look like very useful tools, saving time=20
> going through the database also providing useful data normalization.=20
> Thanks, I did not know about this service and will put it to use in=20
> the future.
>
> 7. Dear Jeremiah,
> I recently completed my dissertation on reusing today's design-phase=20
> (compliance) energy models post-design, focusing on a building owner's=20
> perspective. For #2, "How does a proposed building typically stack up=20
> against the utility bills?", I'd say it partially depends on the=20
> original purpose of the model. Was the modeler trying to predict=20
> utility bills, or rather demonstrate compliance with a code/standard?=20
> For example, for LEED-compliance models under older LEED (ASHRAE 90.1)=20
> protocol, modelers made default assumptions regarding plug-loads.=20
> This could lead to very inaccurate models, especially for=20
> energy-intensive programs such as labs or data centers. I have some=20
> case studies, but they're essentially specific to these older versions=20
> of LEED. I'm not sure if that's helpful to you.
>
> For #3, "How accurate should an existing building model be to be=20
> considered useful?", I'd say it depends on what you're trying to do=20
> with the model. Test future retrofits? Benchmark the building? Detect=20
> subtle equipment faults? I have a couple case studies that involved=20
> such major building faults that even relatively poorly-calibrated=20
> models (per ASHRAE 14 definitions) helped detect the problems. Again,=20
> I'm not sure if that's relevant to you.
>
> I'm happy to share my findings if they're relevant. Please contact me=20
> if this sounds like it might be helpful.
> Best,
> Holly
> Holly W. Samuelson
> Doctor of Design | Registered Architect | LEED AP BD+C
> Lecturer Harvard Graduate School of Design
>
> (My response) Holly, thanks for the input and please do share the=20
> case studies.
>
>
>
>
>
> /
> /
> **
> **
> **Jeremiah D. Crossett*| Senior Analyst | Phase Change Energy Solutions=
*
> *
> *120 E. Pritchard St. | Asheboro, NC 27203 | Mobile 503-688-8951*
> **www.phasechange.com <http://www.phasechange.com> **
> *
> **
> **
> **
> **
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Diego Ibarra <diegobeps at gmail.com=20
> <mailto:diegobeps at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeremiah,
>
> Would you mind sharing the resources people have shared with you,
> namely:
> Tianzhen, thanks for the link.
> Zheng, thanks for the recommended reading.
> Matt, thanks for the link.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Diego
> Doctoral Candidate
> Harvard University
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Jeremiah Crossett
> <jcrossett at phasechange.com <mailto:jcrossett at phasechange.com>> wrote:
>
> Everyone,
> Thanks for the responses.
>
> Tianzhen, thanks for the link.
> Zheng, thanks for the recommended reading.
> Matt, thanks for the link.
> Holly, thanks for the information and yes, please do send your
> case studies.
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>
>
> /
> /
> **
> **
> **Jeremiah D. Crossett*| Senior Analyst | Phase Change
> Energy Solutions*
> *
> *120 E. Pritchard St. | Asheboro, NC 27203 | Mobile
> 503-688-8951 <tel:503-688-8951>*
> **www.phasechange.com <http://www.phasechange.com> **
> *
> **
> **
> **
> **
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Samuelson, Holly Wasilowski
> <hsamuelson at gsd.harvard.edu
> <mailto:hsamuelson at gsd.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>
> Dear Jeremiah,
> I recently completed my dissertation on reusing today's
> design-phase (compliance) energy models post-design,
> focusing on a building owner's perspective. For #2, "How
> does a proposed building typically stack up against the
> utility bills?", I'd say it partially depends on the
> original purpose of the model. Was the modeler trying to
> predict utility bills, or rather demonstrate compliance
> with a code/standard? For example, for LEED-compliance
> models under older LEED (ASHRAE 90.1) protocol, modelers
> made default assumptions regarding plug-loads. This could
> lead to very inaccurate models, especially for
> energy-intensive programs such as labs or data centers. I
> have some case studies, but they're essentially specific
> to these older versions of LEED. I'm not sure if that's
> helpful to you.
>
> For #3, "How accurate should an existing building model be
> to be considered useful?", I'd say it depends on what
> you're trying to do with the model. Test future retrofits?
> Benchmark the building? Detect subtle equipment faults? I
> have a couple case studies that involved such major
> building faults that even relatively poorly-calibrated
> models (per ASHRAE 14 definitions) helped detect the
> problems. Again, I'm not sure if that's relevant to you.
>
> I'm happy to share my findings if they're relevant.
> Please contact me if this sounds like it might be helpful.
> Best,
> Holly
> Holly W. Samuelson
> Doctor of Design | Registered Architect | LEED AP BD+C
> Lecturer Harvard Graduate School of Design
> -------------------------------------------------------------=
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> *From:* Jeremiah Crossett [jcrossett at phasechange.com
> <mailto:jcrossett at phasechange.com>]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 17, 2013 10:08 PM
>
> *To:* bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> <mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>; Terry Puccini
> *Subject:* [Bldg-sim] Recommended reading on comparison of
> models to actual?
>
> Dear bldg sim,
>
> I am looking for papers that elaborate on the concept of
> modeling, and how it correlates to actual utility data to
> share with people within my company.
>
> The questions keeps popping up, eg..
>
> 1. How does a baseline building compare to an average
> building?
> 2. How does a proposed building typically stack up
> against the utility bills once the building is built?
> 3. How accurate an existing building model should be to
> be considered useful, and how accurate
> is typically possible?
> 4. For an experimental setup what would be considered to
> be close enough to be considered a "validated" model?
>
> My understanding is that modeling is to show relationships
> between average a baseline of a chosen vintage and that of
> a proposed design in terms of relative percentages. For
> existing buildings I think that useful is within 20%
> and typically possible is 10%. Then for a validation
> model, the most important factor is similar curves and
> close totals.
>
> If anyone has any recommended papers, or personal
> experience it would be appreciated.
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
>
> **
> **
> **Jeremiah D. Crossett*| Senior Analyst | Phase Change
> Energy Solutions*
> *
> *120 E. Pritchard St. | Asheboro, NC 27203 | Mobile
> 503-688-8951 <tel:503-688-8951>*
> **www.phasechange.com <http://www.phasechange.com> **
> *
> **
> **
> **
> **
>
>
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Hi Jeremiah;<br>
<br>
I think you misunderstood my offer of co-operation.<br>
<br>
I did NOT offer you a FORTRAN IV model of the energy use of a
building<br>
dating from 1977 or 1980. I had both at one time.&nbs=
p; The 1980 model
simply<br>
crushed a few thousand combinations of insulation, finance rates,
etc.<br>
<br>
I DID offer Phase Change Energy Solutions and Vesture Corporation
in<br>
Ashboro NC a trial Proof of Concept installation site with an
established energy <br>
performance over 3 different heat pump installations, with and
without active thermal <br>
solar on the roof running, asymmetric soffits, among other features
in Washington DC's<br>
challenging 4000 degree day heating season and humid 2000 degree day
cooling season..<br>
That offer has expired.<br>
<br>
"<font color=3D"#336666">modeling has came a long way since 1897! "</fo=
nt><br>
Yes it has. that would make me, with BSME at age 20 (didn't have =
as
much content back then)<br>
about 136 years old now. On the factual side you will find
evidence of extremely sophisticated<br>
solar pond engineering in early Precolumbian South America=
in
Ecuador?? Peru?? the Solar<br>
ponds keep the growing vegetables relatively warm at
night.......... The argument centers on<br>
how they came up with the design without Western math tools -&nbs=
p;
trig, calculus......<br>
<br>
<font color=3D"#336666"> I do not have much time for NDA's and
tele-meetings... thanks anyway</font><br>
You never replied to me directly at all; Since my misunderstood
offer.<br>
<br>
If you don't have any time for NDA's , where do=
es that leave
you in <br>
Todays (started March 15, 2013) First-to-File Patent =
Law
Landscape ???<br>
versus the old first to invent system..........<br>
<br>
By the way guys on the list "Pre -- Colum=
bian" as used here
means before Christopher Columbus;<br>
nothing else, and it was not in the spelling checker. (LOL)=
<br>
<br>
OK Back to Work It's 1130am early lunch is gone.........<br=
>
<br>
bye<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 6/27/2013 5:32 PM, Jeremiah Crossett
wrote:<br>
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Jeremiah, </span>
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55,255,255)"><br>
</div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">Would
you mind sharing the resources people have shared with you,
namely:</div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
<div class=3D"im" style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">
<div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px">
<font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Tianzhen,
thanks for the link. </font></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><font
color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Zheng, thanks
for the recommended reading. </font></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><font
color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Matt, thanks
for the link.</font></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><font
color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><font
color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Thanks.</font><=
/div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><font
color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><font
color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Diego</font></d=
iv>
<div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><font
color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Doctoral
Candidate</font></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><font
color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Harvard
University</font></div>
</div>
</div>
<font color=3D"#336666"><font><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">
<div><font color=3D"#336666"><font><font
face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
</font></font></font></div>
Diego, </font></font></font>
<div><font color=3D"#336666"><font><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">I
thought the responses that I got where posted to th=
e list.
For you and others reference I post all of the resp=
onses I
got:</font></font></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#336666"><font><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><=
br>
</font></font></font></div>
<div>
<ol>
<li><span
style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:arial,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13px">Try
green building advisor</span></li>
</ol>
</div>
<div><font color=3D"#336666"><font><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><=
br>
</font></font></font></div>
<div><font style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"
color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><font
face=3D"arial, sans-serif">(My </font>response<font
face=3D"arial, sans-serif"> to this) I read this </=
font></font></font><a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs/dept/musings/energy-model=
ing-isn-t-very-accurate"
target=3D"_blank"
style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;b=
ackground-color:rgb(255,255,255)">http://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/blogs=
/dept/musings/energy-modeling-isn-t-very-accurate</a><span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"> a
while ago and did</span><font
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"
color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"> not thin=
k much
of the way they talked badly about modeling, and would
prefer information from actual modelers, as I am using this
to support my actual modeling.. To me their article seems
like it is downplaying the benefits of modeling, written by
someone who is reading about modeling and writing an =
article
rather than actively doing it. It seems like
taking advice about how to design a building from a
contractor, they understand a bit, but really it is
the architect and engineer that know what they are do=
ing,
the contractor is just the one who does it, or possibly more
like getting news from a friend rather than the sourc=
e. </font></font>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><font
color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
</font></font></div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><font
color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">I am looking
for personal experience or peer reviewed scientific
papers. If anyone can help?</font></font></div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><font
color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
</font></font></div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><font
color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
</font></font></div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><font
color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">Thanks =
</font></font></div>
</div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><font
color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
</font></font></div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">2.
Hi;<br>
<br>
I've got a custom house that started as an ASME design
project. It was built in 1986.<br>
We moved in January 1987. I have extensive records of e=
nergy
used, features active<br>
in a particular month...... would you be interested in a
technology demonstrator in the<br>
Washington DC metro area ??<br>
<br>
How about a Non Disclosure Agreement and a tele-meeting ??<br=
>
<br>
JRR</div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><br>
</div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><font
color=3D"#336666">(My response) I am not so interisted in this
due to the age of the model and complexity of the response..,
modeling has came a long way since 1897! and I do not have
much time for NDA's and tele-meetings... thanks anyway</font></di=
v>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><br>
</div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">3. <b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Jeremiah,</span></b></di=
v>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I think you’ll fin=
d a
room full of experts and lots of advice on this at the
upcoming SPC 209 Meeting at ASHRAE in Denver. I’ve enclos=
ed
a copy of the agenda, as well as the Chair’s email, Jason
Glazer. Part of the work for 209 is assembling the list you
are looking for.</span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Also, you’ll find
useful information in the new Guideline 14, and in the
Energy Management Handbook, by Doty and Turner.<a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://www.ibpsa.org/"
target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)">www.ibpsa.or=
g</a><span
style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125)"> and the <a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://www.esl.tamu.edu/"
target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)">www.esl.ta=
mu.edu</a> are
also good places to check as well.</span></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">&nb=
sp;</span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Jeff</span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">++++++++++++++++++++++++=
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++</span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);text-align:center"
align=3D"center"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">AG=
ENDA</span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);text-align:center"
align=3D"center"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">AS=
HRAE
SPC209 Energy Simulation Aided Design</span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);text-align:center"
align=3D"center"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Monda=
y,
June 24, 2013</span><span
style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);text-align:center"
align=3D"center"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span
class=3D"aBn" tabindex=3D"0"
style=3D"border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dashed;border-bottom-c=
olor:rgb(204,204,204)"><span
class=3D"aQJ" style=3D"">2:15</span></span>-6:15p Governor=
217;s
Square 12 (plaza building, concourse level)</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);text-align:center"
align=3D"center"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Shera=
ton
Denver Downtown -</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);text-align:center"
align=3D"center"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Denve=
r
Colorado</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);text-align:center"
align=3D"center"><span style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> =
;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">1.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp; </span></span><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">CALL TO ORDER</span></b>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">1.1.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </s=
pan></span><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Roll Call/Quorum
Determination</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">1.2.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </s=
pan></span><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Introduction of Members
and Guests</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">1.3.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </s=
pan></span><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Announcements</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">2.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp; </span></span><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">AGENDA REVIEW</span></b>=
<span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">3.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp; </span></span><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">MINUTES OF THE LAST
MEETING - Nelson</span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">4.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp; </span></span><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">LIAISON REPORTS –
Anyone present</span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">5.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp; </span></span><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS</sp=
an></b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">5.1.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </s=
pan></span><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Predesign Subcommittee -
Sheffer</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">5.2.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </s=
pan></span><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Conceptual
design/Schematic design - Katzenberger</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">5.3.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </s=
pan></span><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Design
development/Construction documents – Baker</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">5.4.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </s=
pan></span><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Construction/Commissioning=
/As-Built/Operations
- Reddy</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">5.5.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </s=
pan></span><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Resources/References/Defin=
itions
Subcommittee - DeBaillie</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">6.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp; </span></span><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">OLD BUSINESS</span></b><=
span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">7.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp; </span></span><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">NEW BUSINESS</span></b><=
span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:6pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">8.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp; </span></span><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">NEXT MEETING:</span></b>=
<i><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></i></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">8.1.<span
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times
New Roman'"> </span></span></i><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Standards writing
tutorial</span></b><i><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></i></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">8.2.<span
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times
New Roman'"> </span></span></i><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Subcommittee calls</span=
></b><i><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></i></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:84.6pt;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">8.3.<span
style=3D"font-style:normal;font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times
New Roman'"> </span></span></i><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Full committee calls</sp=
an></b><i><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></i></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6pt;margin-left:0.25in;font-family:=
arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">9.<span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> &nb=
sp; </span></span><b><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">ADJOURN</span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:6pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><b><i><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></i></b><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:6pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><b><i><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Subcommittee Meeting
Times and Locations: (all in plaza building, concourse
level)</span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:6pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">SPC 209 Predesign
Subcommittee - Sunday 6:00-10:00p Plaza Court 3</span></i></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:6pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">SPC 209 Design
development/Construction documents - Sunday 6:00-10:0p Plaza
Court 6</span></i></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:6pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">SPC 209
Construction/Commissioning/As-Built/Operations - Sunday
6:00-10:00p Plaza Court 1</span></i></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"margin-bottom:6pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;back=
ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">SPC 209
Resources/References/Definitions Subcommittee- Monday 8:00a-<sp=
an
class=3D"aBn" tabindex=3D"0"
style=3D"border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dashed;border-bottom-c=
olor:rgb(204,204,204)"><span
class=3D"aQJ" style=3D"">Noon</span></span> Plaza Cour=
t 1</span></i></p>
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ground-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><i><span
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">SPC 209 Conceptual
design/Schematic design -Monday 8:00a-<span class=3D"aBn"
tabindex=3D"0"
style=3D"border-bottom-width:1px;border-bottom-style:dashed;border-bottom-c=
olor:rgb(204,204,204)"><span
class=3D"aQJ" style=3D"">Noon</span></span> Plaza Cour=
t 7</span></i></p>
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target=3D"_blank">jhaberl at tamu.edu</a> <br>
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color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><font
face=3D"arial, sans-serif">(my </font>response<font
face=3D"arial, sans-serif">) sorry Could not make it this
year:( </font></font></font></div>
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color=3D"#336666"><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><font
face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br>
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<div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font
face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">4.&nb=
sp;</font></font><span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Jeremiah,</=
span></div>
<br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
<span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">That
is an important topic among researchers and practitioners in the
simulation community for the last 20-30 years. </span><br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
<br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
<span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">I
made a presentation on this topic in a public EETD/LBNL seminar,
A closer look at the energy performance of buildings: simulated
vs. measured. Slides are available in PDF at </span><a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"http://eetd.lbl.gov/news/events/2011/03/03/a-closer-look-at-the-ene=
rgy-performance-of-buildings-simulated-vs-measured"
target=3D"_blank"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">http://eetd.lbl.gov/news/events/2011/03/03/a-closer-look-at-th=
e-energy-performance-of-buildings-simulated-vs-measured</a><br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
<br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
<span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">I
have some journal articles discussing related topics. You can
find them by using the Google Scholar.</span><br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
<br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
<span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">Tianzhen</span>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>(my response) <span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">Tianzhen,
thanks for the link. This is good work, well done and very
much what I was looking for. </span><br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)">
<div><font color=3D"#336666"><font><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"=
><br>
</font></font></font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#330000"><font><font face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"=
>5. </font></font><span
style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;background-color:rgb=
(255,255,255)">Jeremiah,</span></font>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><font
color=3D"#330000"> </font></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><font
color=3D"#330000">In the last couple of years, we did a
couple of cases with DoD buildings and you can check the
following papers:</font></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)=
"> </span></p>
<p
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);margin-left:32.2pt"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">1.<sp=
an
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> =
; </span></span><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">OR=
17;Neill,
Z.D. and B. Eisenhower. 2013. Leveraging the Analysis o=
f
Parametric Uncertainty for Building Energy Model
Calibration. Building Simulation<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK156"
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"></a><a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK157"
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">: An International Journal.&n=
bsp;</a>DOI
10.1007/s12273-013-0125-8.</span></p>
<p
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);margin-left:32.2pt"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">2.<sp=
an
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> =
; </span></span><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">OR=
17;Neill,
Z. D., B. Eisenhower, V. Fonoberov and T. Bailey. 2012. =
<a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK135"
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"></a><a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK136"
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">Calibration of a Building
Energy Model Considering Parametric Uncertainty</a>.
ASHRAE Transactions, 118(2). <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true=
"
name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK137"
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"></a><a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK138"
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">ASHRAE Annual Meeting. San
Antonio, TX. Jun 23–27, 2012</a>.</span></p>
<p
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255);margin-left:32.2pt"><a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true" name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK40"
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"></a><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK41"
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">3.<=
span
style=3D"font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'">&nb=
sp; </span></span><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">O&#=
8217;Neill,
Z. D., B. Eisenhower, S. Yuan, T. Bailey, S. Narayanan
and V. Fonoberov.2011. </span></a><a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true" name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK76"
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"></a><a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK75"
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Mod=
eling
and Calibration of Energy Models for a DoD Building</span><=
/a><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">.&nbs=
p;<a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK133"
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"></a><a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK134"
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">ASHRAE Transactions, 117(2):
358-365. </a>ASHRAE Annual Meeting. Montreal, <a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK15"
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"></a><a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true" name=3D"13f591d8eb2bfd8c_OLE_LINK7=
"
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">Québec</a>, Canada. Ju=
ne
25–29, 2011.</span><span
style=3D"font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;text-i=
ndent:0in"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Zheng=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> =
;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">=3D=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Zheng
O’Neill, PhD, PE</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Depar=
tment
of Mechanical Engineering</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">The
University of Alabama</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Box
870276</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Tusca=
loosa,
AL 35487-0276 USA</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(2=
55,255,255)"><span
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)=
"><font
color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><span
style=3D"font-size:15px">(My response) Zheng, thanks f=
or
the info, I may purchase one of these papers, looks like
very good work. </span></font></p>
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"><font
color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><span
style=3D"font-size:15px"><br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255)=
">
<font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif"><span
style=3D"font-size:15px">6. </span></font><span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif">Hi Jeremiah,</span></p=
>
<br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
<span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">This
might be too simplistic for what you're trying to do, and
it's more "hands on" as opposed to "peer-reviewed research"
but for some quick checks here's what I do:</span><br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
<br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
<span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">*
Compare to CBECS. I use </span><a moz-do-not-send=3D=
"true"
href=3D"http://www.buildingbenchmarks.com/" target=3D"_blank"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">www.buildingbenchmarks.com</a><span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">.&=
nbsp;
It's a quick and free website. You enter basic info (zip
code, square footage range, primary building activity, and
range of years the building was completed) and it pulls the
relevant info from CBECS for you. It gives you a simple
breakdown of average annual electric and gas usage by
activity (not monthly, unfortunately). So within a few
seconds you can see how your model compares.</span><br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
<br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
<span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">*
For existing buildings with utility bills available, I run a
baseline energy report per ASHRAE 14. I use </span><=
a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://www.noesisenergy.com/"
target=3D"_blank"
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">www.noesisenergy.com</a><span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">,
another free tool. I enter in 12+ months of utility bills
and it will generate weather-normalized baseline reports,
complete with the regression analysis equations. They use
heating and cooling degree days from the closest weather
station to your site (based on the calculated balance point
temperatures for heating or cooling), plus utility billing
days for each month. They do NOT factor in other variable=
s
like occupancy or production. You can compare actual,
adjusted baseline, and typical consumption for each month,
for each utility. So if you're using TMY2 or TMY3 weather
data in your model, you can see how it compares to the
typical monthly consumption from the baseline report. I u=
se
this as a guide for calibration.</span><br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
<br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
<span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">I've
had a discussion with William Ball at Noesis about using
their tools to better support energy modelers, and
encouraged him to check out IBPSA.</span><br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
<br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
<span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">Again,
this might be missing the point of your request, and a
little too simplistic, so I didn't want to post it to the
entire Bldg Sim listserv....</span><br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
<br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
<span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">Best
of luck in your efforts and please let me know what you
find!</span><br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
<br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
<span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">Matt
Huffman, LEED AP</span><br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
<span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">Manager,
Energy Services</span><br
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">
<span
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">Murphy
& Miller, Inc.</span></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><font color=3D"#336666">(My&n=
bsp;response)
Matt, these look like very useful tools, saving&nb=
sp;time
going through the database also providing useful da=
ta
normalization. Thanks, I did not know about this service
and will put it to use in the future. </font></font></di=
v>
<div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><font color=3D"#336666"><br>
</font></font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><font color=3D"#336666">7.&nb=
sp;</font></font><span
style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13p=
x">Dear
Jeremiah,</span></div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)">I
recently completed my dissertation on reusing today's
design-phase (compliance) energy models post-design, focusing
on a building owner's perspective. For #2, "How does a
proposed building typically stack up against the utility
bills?", I'd say it partially depends on the original purpose
of the model. Was the modeler trying to predict utility
bills, or rather demonstrate compliance with a code/standard?&nbs=
p;<span
style=3D"font-size:10pt">For example, for LEED-compliance
models under older LEED (ASHRAE 90.1) protocol, modelers
made default assumptions regarding plug-loads. This could
lead to very inaccurate models, especially for
energy-intensive programs such as labs or data centers. I
have some case studies, but they're essentially specific to
these older versions of LEED. I'm not sure if that's helpful
to you.</span></div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)"><span
style=3D"font-size:10pt"><br>
</span></div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)"><span
style=3D"font-size:10pt">For #3, "How accurate should an
existing building model be to be considered useful?", I'd
say it depends on what you're trying to do with the model.
Test future retrofits? </span><span style=3D"font-size:10p=
t">Benchmark
the building?</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"> Detect
subtle equipment faults? I have a couple case studies tha=
t
involved such major building faults that even relatively
poorly-calibrated models (per ASHRAE 14 definitions) help=
ed
detect the problems. Again, I'm not sure if that's releva=
nt
to you.</span></div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)"><br>
</div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)">I'm
happy to share my findings if they're relevant. Please
contact me if this sounds like it might be helpful.</div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)">Best,</div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)">Holly</div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)"><font
color=3D"#888888">
<div> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#ff6600" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"1">Holly W.
Samuelson<br>
</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#999999" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"1">Doctor o=
f
Design </font><font color=3D"#999999" face=3D"Arial"
size=3D"1"><font color=3D"#888888"><font color=3D"#999999"
size=3D"1">| </font></font>Registered Architect | =
LEED
AP BD+C <br>
Lecturer Harvard Graduate School of Design</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#999999" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"1"><br>
</font></div>
<div><span
style=3D"color:rgb(51,102,102);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small=
">(My response)
Holly, thanks for the input and please do share the
case studies.</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
</font></div>
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</font></font></div>
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55,255,255)"><span
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:11 PM,
Diego Ibarra <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"mailto:diegobeps at gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">diego=
beps at gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Jeremiah,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Would you mind sharing the resources people have
shared with you, namely:</div>
<div>
<div class=3D"im">
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.80=
0000190734863px">
<font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">T=
ianzhen,
thanks for the link. </font></div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.80=
0000190734863px"><font
color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Zheng=
,
thanks for the recommended reading. =
</font></div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.80=
0000190734863px">
<font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">M=
att,
thanks for the link.</font></div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.80=
0000190734863px"><font
color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
</div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000=
00190734863px"><font
color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Thanks.=
</font></div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000=
00190734863px">
<font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br=
>
</font></div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000=
00190734863px"><font
color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Diego</=
font></div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000=
00190734863px">
<font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Doc=
toral
Candidate</font></div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8000=
00190734863px"><font
color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif">Harvard
University</font></div>
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00190734863px"><font
color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
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00190734863px"><font
color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
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00190734863px"><font
color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma, sans-serif"><br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>
<div class=3D"h5">
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Jeremiah
Crossett <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"mailto:jcrossett at phasechange.com"
target=3D"_blank">jcrossett at phasechange.com</a>&g=
t;</span>
wrote:<br>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div class=3D"h5">
<font><font color=3D"#333333"
face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">Everyone, </fon=
t></font>
<div><font><font color=3D"#333333"
face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">Thanks for
the responses. </font></font></div>
<div><font><font color=3D"#333333"
face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
</font></font></div>
<div><span><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma,
sans-serif">Tianzhen, thanks for the
link. </font></span></div>
<div><span><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma,
sans-serif">Zheng, thanks for
the recommended reading. </fon=
t></span></div>
<div><span><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma,
sans-serif">Matt, thanks for the link.</font>=
</span></div>
<div><span><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma,
sans-serif">Holly, thanks for the
information and yes, please do send your
case studies. </font></span></div>
<div><span><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma,
sans-serif"><br>
</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma,
sans-serif"><br>
</font></span></div>
<div><span><font color=3D"#333333" face=3D"tahoma,
sans-serif">Cheers! </font></span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif"><=
br>
</span></div>
<div><span><font color=3D"#1f497d" face=3D"Calibri,
sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:15px"><b=
r>
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sans-serif"><br clear=3D"all">
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size=3D"1"><b
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erif"><br>
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font
color=3D"#000099" size=3D"1"><b
style=3D"font-family:Verdana,sans=
-serif">Jeremiah
D. Crossett</b><span
style=3D"font-family:Verdana,sans=
-serif"> </span><font
face=3D"Verdana, sans-serif">|
Senior </font><font
face=3D"Verdana, sans-serif">Anal=
yst</font><font
face=3D"Verdana, sans-serif">&nbs=
p; |
Phase Change Energy Solutio=
ns</font></font></span></b></div>
<b>
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><font
size=3D"1"><font color=3D"#000099=
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face=3D"Verdana, sans-serif">12=
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 25,
2013 at 6:01 PM, Samuelson, Holly
Wasilowski <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"mailto:hsamuelson at gsd.harvard.e=
du"
target=3D"_blank">hsamuelson at gsd.harvar=
d.edu</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"
style=3D"margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div
style=3D"direction:ltr;font-size:10pt=
;font-family:Tahoma">Dear
Jeremiah,
<div>I recently completed my
dissertation on reusing today's
design-phase (compliance) energy
models post-design, focusing on
a building owner's perspective.
For #2, "How does a proposed
building typically stack up
against the utility bills?", I'd
say it partially depends on the
original purpose of the model.
Was the modeler trying to
predict utility bills, or rather
demonstrate compliance with a
code/standard? <span
style=3D"font-size:10pt">For
example, for LEED-compliance
models under older LEED
(ASHRAE 90.1) protocol,
modelers made default
assumptions regarding
plug-loads. This could lead
to very inaccurate models,
especially for
energy-intensive programs such
as labs or data centers. I
have some case studies, but
they're essentially specific
to these older versions of
LEED. I'm not sure if that's
helpful to you.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt"><=
br>
</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">F=
or
#3, "How accurate should an
existing building model be to
be considered useful?", I'd
say it depends on what you're
trying to do with the model.
Test future retrofits? </spa=
n><span
style=3D"font-size:10pt">Benchmar=
k
the building?</span><span
style=3D"font-size:10pt"> De=
tect
subtle equipment faults? I
have a couple case studies
that involved such major
building faults that even
relatively poorly-calibrate=
d
models (per ASHRAE 14
definitions) helped detect the
problems. Again, I'm not su=
re
if that's relevant to you.</span>=
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm happy to share my
findings if they're relevant.
Please contact me if this
sounds like it might be helpful.</d=
iv>
<div>Best,</div>
<div>Holly</div>
<div>
<div>
<div
style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;fon=
t-size:13px"><font
color=3D"#888888">
<div> </div>
<div><font color=3D"#ff6600"
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"1"=
>Holly
W. Samuelson<br>
</font></div>
<div><font color=3D"#999999"
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"1"=
>Doctor
of Design </font><font
color=3D"#999999"
face=3D"Arial" size=3D"1"=
><font
color=3D"#888888"><font
color=3D"#999999"
size=3D"1">|
</font></font>Registere=
d
Architect | LEED AP
BD+C <br>
Lecturer Harvard
Graduate School of
Design</font></div>
</font></div>
</div>
<div
style=3D"font-size:16px;font-fami=
ly:Times
New Roman">
<hr>
<div style=3D"direction:ltr"><fon=
t
color=3D"#000000"
face=3D"Tahoma"><b>From:</b>
Jeremiah Crossett [<a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"mailto:jcrossett at ph=
asechange.com"
target=3D"_blank">jcrossett=
@phasechange.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June
17, 2013 10:08 PM
<div><br>
<b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send=3D"true"
href=3D"mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org" target=3D"_blank">bldg-sim at l=
ists.onebuilding.org</a>;
Terry Puccini<br>
<b>Subject:</b>
[Bldg-sim] Recommended
reading on comparison of
models to actual?<br>
</div>
</font><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div><font color=3D"#336666">=
<font><font
face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">Dear bldg sim,</font></font></font>
<div><font
color=3D"#336666"><font=
><font
face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
</font></font></font>=
</div>
<div><font
color=3D"#336666"><font=
><font
face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">I am looking for papers that elaborate on the
concept of
modeling, and
how it
correlates to
actual utility
data to share
with people
within my
company.</font></fo=
nt></font></div>
<div><font
color=3D"#336666"><font=
><font
face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif"><br>
</font></font></font>=
</div>
<div><font
color=3D"#336666"><font=
><font
face=3D"tahoma,sans-serif">The questions keeps popping up, eg.. </font=
></font></font></div>
<div>
<ol>
<li><span
style=3D"font-famil=
y:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,102,102)">How
does a baseline
building compare
to an average
building?</span></l=
i>
<li><span
style=3D"font-famil=
y:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,102,102)">How
does a proposed
building
typically stack
up against the
utility bills
once the
building is
built?</span>
</li>
<li><font
color=3D"#336666"
face=3D"tahoma,
sans-serif">How
accurate an
existing
building model
should be to be
considered
useful, and how
accurate
is typically&n=
bsp;possible? </font></li>
<li><font
color=3D"#336666"
face=3D"tahoma,
sans-serif">For
an experimental
setup what would
be considered to
be close enough
to be considered
a "validated"
model? </font=
>
</li>
</ol>
<div><font
color=3D"#336666"
face=3D"tahoma,
sans-serif">My
understanding is
that modeling is
to show
relationships
between average a
baseline of a
chosen vintage and
that of a proposed
design in terms of
relative
percentages. Fo=
r
existing buildings
I think that
useful is within
20% and typicall=
y
possible is 10%.
Then for a
validation model,
the most important
factor is similar
curves and close
totals. </font><=
/div>
<div><font
color=3D"#336666"
face=3D"tahoma,
sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font
color=3D"#336666"
face=3D"tahoma,
sans-serif">If
anyone has any
recommended
papers, or
personal
experience it
would be
appreciated. </f=
ont></div>
<div><font
color=3D"#336666"
face=3D"tahoma,
sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font
color=3D"#336666"
face=3D"tahoma,
sans-serif">Kind
regards </font><=
/div>
<div><font
color=3D"#336666"
face=3D"tahoma,
sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><font
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