[Bldg-sim] Energy Prices (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Erik Turner]

Seeking out actual utility rates is essiential for all the projects I've
been on. The averages from EIA are a good place to start, but often
times the actual rates are far higher, and this will lead to more LEED
points from the same design / engineering changes. I've also found that
using the actual utility rate for the baseline and using a discounted
utility rate that is applicable because of some incentive program is
allowed, and further increases the benefits from the cost-based approach
of LEED energy modeling.


Erik Turner


Erik Turner EIT, LEED AP+BD+C
Mechanical Engineer

Robison Engineering
20300 19th Ave NE
Shoreline, WA 98155

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[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Nick Caton
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 7:45 AM
To: David Eldridge; Eurek, John S NWO
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Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Prices (UNCLASSIFIED)

If modeling for LEED, I would advise seeking out the rate schedules for
the actual local utilities.  It's a little extra work (actually I've
found the EIA site to be a pain to navigate in the past), but I suspect
those averages take into account huge industrial facilities and
government/military organizations with well-discounted rate structures
atypically lower than those used for a typical building owner's bills.
I've found plugging the actual rates in (for a few projects where I made
this comparison) to generally increase the consumption/demand costs
modeled, and often that can cause a better cost-based (i.e. LEED)
performance rating.

My $0.02,

~Nick

NICK CATON, E.I.T.
PROJECT ENGINEER
Smith & Boucher Engineers
25501 west valley parkway
olathe ks 66061
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of David
Eldridge
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:10 AM
To: Eurek, John S NWO
Cc: <bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
Subject: Re: [Bldg-sim] Energy Prices (UNCLASSIFIED)

DOE's EIA site has these by state and utility (and user sector),
suitable for LEED.

-DSE

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On Jan 14, 2011, at 8:11 AM, "Eurek, John S NWO"
<John.S.Eurek at usace.army.mil> wrote:

> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
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> Quick and easy.
> 
> Where do I get average energy prices?  Is there a web-site I can type
in the
> city and state and get a cost?   
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> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
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