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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Does this have anything to do with simulation
engines in general when computing identical files yet displaying mixed results
on different terminals? As far as I know this has been known to happen.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
bldg-rate-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-rate-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Zoeteman, Mark R.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 08, 2010
9:17 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">David
S Eldridge</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">bldg-rate@lists.onebuilding.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bldg-rate] <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">LEED</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">NC</st1:State></st1:place>
v2.2 EAc2</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#0c02ce" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#0C02CE'>David,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#0c02ce" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#0C02CE'>Thank you for your
response. Yes I agree that Reference Guide lists answers of 3.08% on page 191
and 3.1 % on 201. However when you plug in the numerical values into page 191
equation, result is actually 2.99%. The two equations are different and yield
different results, but the Reference Guide lists same answer.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#0c02ce" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#0C02CE'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#0C02CE'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">David S Eldridge</st1:PersonName> [mailto:DSE@grummanbutkus.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 07, 2010
7:18 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Zoeteman, Mark R.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">LEED</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">NC</st1:State></st1:place> v2.2
EAc2<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>I think your reference guide edition may
be out of date, mine has 3.08% (rounded to 3.1% in EAC2) in both locations
using your second example as the basis.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>The example in your reference guide must
have incorrectly used $88,308 as the total energy cost instead of
$85,669. This seems to be corrected now.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>David<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<o:p></o:p></span></font></u></p>
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style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>David S. Eldridge,
Jr., P.E., LEED AP BD+C, BEMP, HBDP<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D'>http://www.grummanbutkus.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color="#244061" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#244061;font-weight:bold'>Grumman/Butkus
Associates</span></font></b><font size=1 color=gray face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:gray'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black'>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></u></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
bldg-rate-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:bldg-rate-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Zoeteman, Mark R.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, April 07, 2010
3:14 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">bldg-rate@lists.onebuilding.org</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Bldg-rate] <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">LEED</st1:City> <st1:State w:st="on">NC</st1:State></st1:place>
v2.2 EAc2<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Question about EAc2 On-Site Renewable Energy:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Verdana'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>The v2.2 Reference Guide indicates:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Calibri'> </span></font><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><u><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>In EAc1 example on page 191</span></font></u><font size=2
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Percent Renewable = Site-Generated Renewable/(Proposed
Building Performance + Site-Generated Renewable)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>3.0% = $2,639/$88,308<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Calibri'> </span></font><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><u><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>In EAc2 text in top right section of page 201</span></font></u><font
size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Percent Renewable = Site-Generated Renewable/Proposed
Building Performance<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>3.1% = $2,639/$85,669<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Calibri'> </span></font><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>The value indicated in both places is 3.08 or 3.1%.
However, when you plug in values for EAc1 example, result is 3.0%, which agrees
with the example entered into a EAc2 Template.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Has anyone investigated this discrepancy with USGBC or
GBCI?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Verdana'>Mark Zoeteman, FTC&H<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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