[Equest-users] Zoning Layouts

[Edward Kucirek]

I want to thank everyone who replied to help me. I wanted to share the results I came to as some people responded only to me and not to all users. I received a couple of suggested similar to the one listed below:

"For two story lobbies, I have included a
lobby space and zone in each of the shells, and then in detail mode deleted the
second floor space and zone, and then increase the size of the first floor zone’s
exterior walls."

This works well but has to be done in detailed edit. I also received the emails below about using the zone characteristics to achieve this in wizard mode. 

With my model I successfully accomplished my goal by modeling two shells for the first and second floor. I zoned each shell according to the different thermal zones. The two story area has the exact same zone coordinates. 

I then went into the zone characteristics. On the second floor making the zone both open to below and a mutli level atrium. On the first floor I made it a multi level atrium and changed the conditioned height up to the full height of the second level. If you do not change conditioned height then there will be a gap in your building. See attachment.

Kevin

Kucirek Engineering, Inc.
7587 Main St.
Omaha, NE 68127
Ph: (402)951-0022
Fax: (402)951-0023
kucirekengineering at hotmail.com




Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:23:32 -0700
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Zoning Layouts
From: pasha.pkconsulting at gmail.com
To: umesh at innovativedesign.net
CC: supriyagoel at gmail.com; kucirekengineering at hotmail.com; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org

With the approach Umesh suggested this is on the right track to one way of doing what you need, but take care to note the difference between a "multi-level" space and "open-to-below".  Using them both together might not get you what you need.

 
Within one shell--a multi-level space is thought of as more than one floor height within one shell.  If you use two shells and stack them on top of each other--I would not use the multi-level space option, I would only input "open-to-below" from the zone in the second level shell.  Turning on the multi-level characteristics in more than one building shell may turn on some zone characteristics that you don't want 'turned on' in your model.  I found the information for the two inputs in the help files for eQuest.

 
If you need more detail on this feel free to contact me.  ALWAYS a good rule of thumb...Just make sure that YOU know what your model is doing with each input you specify--don't just trust anyone.  What works in one model might not work for your model--that is up to you as the simulator to figure out and to insure the validity of your simulation results.  

 
Pasha


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Umesh Atre <umesh at innovativedesign.net> wrote:



Kevin,
 
Assuming your two story space has the same footprint across floors, please see attached screenshots.
You can locate the screen under Building Footprint > Zone Characteristics.
You could define it as a 'multi-level space' on the lower floor, and as a 'multi-level space' and 'open to below'
for the upper floor. The multi-level space can be defined as conditioned or unconditioned per your design.
Hope this helps,
Umesh
 
 
 



From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Supriya Goel

Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:26 AM
To: Edward Kucirek
Cc: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Zoning Layouts






Hi Edward, 


What I had done in a similar situation was- create 2 different zones in the wizard, and in the detail edit mode, assign that specific space to the zone of the other floor, and then I deleted the other zone (as it had no space assigned to it). I guess this would be right way to do it, but I am not completely sure.



Hopefully this helps :)


Regards
Supriya


On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Edward Kucirek <kucirekengineering at hotmail.com> wrote:


I am modeling a building with different zoning on the first and second floor. I know I can accomplish this with 2 different shells but I also have a space that is two stories tall (similar to an atrium). Has anyone encountered this? Any help would be much appreciated.


Kevin

Kucirek Engineering, Inc.

7587 Main St.
Omaha, NE 68127
Ph: (402)951-0022
Fax: (402)951-0023
kucirekengineering at hotmail.com






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