[Equest-users] Walls and Zones

[Katie Tuttle]

You just make the perimeter zone and core zone two different spaces in the wizard when you define your zoning and an interior wall will be there – you just need to change the type of wall between those two spaces in the detailed edit mode.

 

KATIE L. M. TUTTLE EI, LEED® AP
Mechanical Designer

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: David C Stewart [mailto:david.c.stewart at state.or.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:11 AM
To: Katie Tuttle; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Walls and Zones

 

How do you define (i.e. placement) the boundary between the open office

space and the perimeter zone?  David 

 

>>> Katie Tuttle <Katie.Tuttle at hei-eng.com> 1/12/2010 8:07 AM >>>

Based on some responses I’ve received regarding walls, spaces and

zones in eQuest, here’s my stab at summarizing what I’ve learned:

 

 

 

Walls

 

1.       Walls have 3 functions

 

a)      Transfer Heat

 

b)      Store Heat

 

c)       Reflect Daylight

 

2.       Interior wall types

 

a)      Standard interior

 

                                                         i.           

Transfers Heat

 

                                                       ii.           

Stores Heat

 

                                                      iii.           

Reflects Daylight

 

b)      Air Wall

 

                                                         i.           

Transfers heat

 

                                                       ii.           

Reflects Daylight

 

c)       Adiabatic

 

                                                         i.           

Stores Heat

 

                                                       ii.           

Reflects Daylight

 

d)      Internal Interior

 

                                                         i.           

Stores Heat

 

                                                       ii.           

Reflects Daylight

 

3.       For heat transfer to occur, you MUST have a wall.  Deleting

walls between spaces that are actually open air will cause eQuest to NOT

transfer any heat between these two spaces.  For example:

 

a)      Open office space with a perimeter and core zone.  

 

                                                         i.           

In order for heat transfer to occur between those two areas (as it

actually would) a wall must exist between them.  

 

                                                       ii.           

That “wall” would need to have a high u-value.  The surface

reflectance of that wall may need to be tweaked to simulate daylight

passing through it and reflecting back into that area since DOE-2 treats

air-walls as opaque (for all practical purposes).

 

                                                      iii.           

If the interior wall were just deleted between the perimeter zone and

core zone of the open office space, no heat transfer will occur during

simulation.  

 

                                                     iv.           

This lack of heat transfer could affect this zone, for example, when

it’s quite cold outside and that perimeter zone is losing heat –

without the benefit of some of the interior zone’s heat, that

perimeter zone would have to make up all of that heat loss (which

wouldn’t actually occur).

 

Spaces

 

1.       eQuest can only have one SPACE per ZONE.

 

2.       When creating your spaces in the wizard (or detailed mode),

make sure you zone this per thermostat, not per room.

 

 

 

Thanks for everyone’s responses!

 

 

 

KATIE L. M. TUTTLE EI, LEED® AP

Mechanical Designer

 

 

 

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<http://www.hei-eng.com/> 

 

 

 

From: Sara Lewis [mailto:SLewis at tesengineering.com] 

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:55 AM

To: Katie Tuttle

Subject: RE: [Equest-users] Walls and Zones

 

 

 

I think (and could be wrong because I am VERY new to eQUEST) that you

could assign the different spaces to the same zone on the “zone group

definitions” tab of the building design wizard.  You’re able to name

your zone, pick the spaces that belong to that zone, and also specify

the HVAC system that serves that zone.  

 

 

 

Sara Lewis

 

 

 

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From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org

[mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of

Katie Tuttle

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:52 AM

To: James Hansen; omoltay at mimtarch.com;

equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org 

Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Walls and Zones

 

 

 

To follow up on the previous questions, I’ve wondered the same thing

– what if you want to assign multiple spaces to one zone in eQuest? 

For example, two rooms are being supplied by the same VAV box.  They

need to be created as two SPACES (on the “Building Shell” and

“Internal Loads” tabs) because of different internal loads, but

then on the “Air-Side HVAC” tab, both of the spaces need to be

assigned to one ZONE.  Is this possible?

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

KATIE L. M. TUTTLE EI, LEED® AP

Mechanical Designer

 

 

 

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<http://www.hei-eng.com/> 

 

 

 

 

 

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[mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of

James Hansen

Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:31 AM

To: omoltay at mimtarch.com; equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org 

Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Walls and Zones

 

 

 

Instead of deleting interior walls, why not just convert them do a

different type?  If I have a large open office with multiple zones, I'll

just set up all interior walls to be of type "Air".

 

 

 

Here are the available wall types from the help file:

 

 

 

INT-WALL-TYPE

 

Specifies the type of interior wall through code-words that identify

the type of heat transfer that occurs across the wall.

 

 

 

STANDARD                  

 

 

 

The default. Designates an interior wall that separates two spaces and

conducts heat between the spaces. It can be defined with a CONSTRUCTION

with TYPE=U-VALUE or TYPE=LAYERS although the heat storage effects of

the wall are accounted for only if TYPE=LAYERS. If you choose a

CONSTRUCTION with TYPE=U-VALUE, the U-value should be less than 0.709

Btu/ft2-F-hr (4.02 W/m2-K), which is the limiting value for two air

films and a very low resistance solid layer.  The NEXT-TO keyword is

required for this wall type. However, if the NEXT-TO space is the same

as the space in which the wall was defined, the program will change

INT-WALL-TYPE to ADIABATIC.

 

 

 

ADIABATIC                  

 

 

 

Designates an interior surface that does not conduct heat between

spaces but can store heat. This type should be used to separate spaces

that are considered to be identical and are, therefore, defined with

MULTIPLIER or FLOOR-MULTIPLIER in the SPACE command. An example is the

wall, ceiling, or floor that separates identical spaces that are

side-by-side on one floor of a building or above one another in a

multistory building. This type of wall should have delayed

construction.

 

 

 

INTERNAL                   

 

 

 

Designates an interior surface that lies completely inside a space. An

example is a water wall used to store solar energy in a space. Another

example is a wall between two rooms that are modeled as a single space.

This type of wall should have a construction with TYPE=LAYERS; in this

case the thermal mass of the wall will be considered in the space's

custom weighting factor calculation

 

 

 

AIR                             

 

 

 

Designates a non-physical interior surface with no mass (i.e., an

opening between spaces) across which convection can take place. This

type of wall should have a CONSTRUCTION with TYPE=U-VALUE. In this case,

we recommend an approximate U-value of 2.7 Btu/ft2-hr (15.3 W/m2). The

NEXT-TO keyword is required for this wall type.

 

 

 

                                  

 

If the "AIR wall" is part of a daylit space, its INSIDE-VIS-REFL values

need to be specified (even though it is not a physical wall) since

daylight can be reflected back across the AIR wall from the adjacent

space. The values to use for INSIDE-VIS-REFL in this case are determined

as follows. Assume that the AIR wall, of area A, is defined in space 1

and separates space 1 and space 2. Let the spaces have inside surface

area Si (excluding the AIR wall) and area-weighted visible reflectance

ri excluding the AIR wall). Then INSIDE-VIS-REFL=(R2 , R1) where Ri is

the cavity reflectance of space i given by

 

            Ri = A * ri / (Si - (Si -A)*rI)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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-----Original Message-----

 

From: equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org

[mailto:equest-users-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of

omoltay at mimtarch.com 

 

Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 6:54 PM

 

To: equest-users at lists.onebuilding.org 

 

Subject: [Equest-users] Walls and Zones

 

 

 

Dear all,

 

 

 

I have not received a reply to my previous question, so here is a

 

simplified version of it: I see that everytime I create a zone in the

 

Wizards, eQuest builds walls around these zones. Does every zone (or

every

 

space) need to have walls around? Would it be a problem if I delete

these

 

walls afterwards?

 

 

 

For example, when I have a large open office, I would like to have

several

 

zones. So after the Wizard creates the building description, I have to

 

delete all the walls around these zones.

 

 

 

Is this normal procedure?

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Omer Moltay, LEED AP

 

 

 

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