[Bldg-sim] Need 'realistic' Building Models for E+

[Joe Huang]

Depending on the objective of Geof's investigation, I'd like to add a note of caution 
about these DOE commercial reference buildings, something that I was involved in first 
creating 5 years ago.   Although these have evolved substantially beyond the shoeboxes of 
the 1990's, they are still prototypical building models that are quite simple in 
comparison to models based on real buildings.  If your intention is to investigate how 
EnergyPlus performs under stress conditions, there are far larger and more complex 
realistic building models out there. Unfortunately for Geof, the great majority of them 
have been created
using DOE-2 or eQUEST.  Over the past year, I've been asked to help convert such models to 
EnergyPlus, once by someone at LBNL!   Now these are what I would call large building 
models, one had over 400 spaces and over 2,000 surfaces.

Joe

Joe Huang
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On 12/18/2012 12:39 PM, Field, Kristin wrote:
>
> Geof,
>
> I agree with Vikram that the PNNL models are a useful resource.  A similar set of models 
> (the DOE commercial reference buildings) is also publicly available here:
>
> http://www1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/commercial/ref_buildings.html
>
> Since the models are similar, you might wonder why I suggested these.  The reason is 
> that some of the system types change between the new construction (per ASHRAE 90.1-2004) 
> models and the existing building ("post1980" and "pre1980" construction) models, so this 
> would give you a broader set of models.  Also, the lighting power is higher, and the 
> infiltration is much higher for these existing building models.  This can sometimes make 
> the simulations different enough (warm-up time, HVAC iterations, etc.) that you might 
> want to check with these existing building models, too.  If you don't want to look at 
> all of them, then you may just want to do pre1980 in a few cities.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Kristin Field, NREL
>
> *From:*bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org 
> [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Sami, Vikram
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:24 PM
> *To:* Geof Sawaya; bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Bldg-sim] Need 'realistic' Building Models for E+
>
> Geof,
>
> There's the PNNL ASHRAE model set that you could reference:
>
> http://www.energycodes.gov/development/commercial/90.1_models
>
> My opinion: I did take a look at this around 6 months ago and the model EUI results 
> seemed a little low, but it's a great resource nonetheless.
>
> **
>
> *Vikram Sami*, LEED AP BD+C
>
> Sustainable Design Analyst
>
> 1315 Peachtree St. NE, Atlanta, GA 30309
>
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>
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>
> *From:*bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org 
> <mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org> 
> [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces at lists.onebuilding.org] *On Behalf Of *Geof Sawaya
> *Sent:* Monday, December 17, 2012 7:31 PM
> *To:* bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org <mailto:bldg-sim at lists.onebuilding.org>
> *Subject:* [Bldg-sim] Need 'realistic' Building Models for E+
>
> Hi Bldg-sim community,
>
> I am currently doing some work on EnergyPlus with the goal of speeding it up.  My 
> background is in Computer Science.
>
> I'm looking for realistic models that I can input to E+ to help me understand the areas 
> that need improvement and to better focus my efforts.
>
> Do any of you have any large scale / realistic inputs for EnergyPlus that I could use? 
>  I will keep them confidential within the E+ development team.
>
> Many thanks --
>
> Geof Sawaya
>
> DOE Building Technologies Compute Fellow
>
> EETD / BTD / Simulation Research Group
>
> Lawrence Berkeley Lab, Berkeley, CA
>
>
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